umm ?

[Guest Jlall]

Kxx KQT9xx --- KQxx

 

w/r imps. Partner opens 3H(!!) and RHO passes.

 

Your plan for the auction?

[mike777]

4H

Game try.

 

I understand it is common to play 4c here as rkc but do not see how that will help.

If the opp bid something perhaps I can come back with 5h if possible.

[effervesce]

What's partner's preempting style? Pointless without knowing that. 4♣ as a slam try is reasonable, hoping for no diamond cue, after which RKCB looks ok.

[Guest Jlall]

Why would you assume 4C is a cuebid?

 

Can't believe people are thinking about slam lol, I was thinking more about the opps having a slam?

 

Anyways, 4H bidders it will go X p 5D 5H p p 5S to you. What do you do?

[matmat]

Why would you assume 4C is a cuebid?

 

Can't believe people are thinking about slam lol, I was thinking more about the opps having a slam?

 

Anyways, 4H bidders it will go X p 5D 5H p p 5S to you. What do you do?

cuebid for NT?

 

i've seen the hand. it may become an interesting lead problem on certain contracts.

[rogerclee]

I would 5♥.

[effervesce]

Why would you assume 4C is a cuebid?

 

Can't believe people are thinking about slam lol, I was thinking more about the opps having a slam?

 

Anyways, 4H bidders it will go X p 5D 5H p p 5S to you. What do you do?

In my partnership style I don't think partner would have bid 3♥ on Axxxxxx and nothing else. Partner may have a black ace, in which case 6♥ has play. But you're certainly not going to be allowed to play in 4♥, and you were never going to stop bidding at anything short of 5♥, so why not at least try for slam in the first place? And give a lead-director against 5♦ or 5♠? If partner does have diamond values, you don't want to bid 6 over 5.

 

In fact, a 4♦ bid, anticipating a spade bid by LHO is reasonable too.

[Guest Jlall]

I would 5♥.

And it it goes X p 6D ?

[mike777]

pass 5s....my lead I think if I read auction correct......K of clubs.

 

Pard does not have 2 aces at this vul...in fact 4h may very well be down.

Can understand 4c rkc as some sort of psyche. I gave it alot of thought. Agree much more likely 4h is down before 6h makes.

[P_Marlowe]

Why would you assume 4C is a cuebid?

 

Can't believe people are thinking about slam lol, I was thinking more about the opps having a slam?

 

Anyways, 4H bidders it will go X p 5D 5H p p 5S to you. What do you do?

Hi,

 

Hoping I got it right

 

3H - (Pass) - 4H - (X)

Pass - (5D) - 5H - (Pass)

Pass - (5S) - ???

 

The guy did bid 5D instead of 4S?

 

Ask the opponent, what this inversions

means, most likely I will get "not discussed".

 

I would go with X: 5H and 5S are making.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

I would 5♥.

And it it goes X p 6D ?

X

 

6H does not make, given my defence, we should have a

fair chance of beating 6H, but if the opponents know, what

they are doing, ... 6H is the less riskier alternative.

 

What do we know about the opponents?

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[brianshark]

I would bid 4♥. I would pass 5♠. Assuming I'm now on lead, I'll lead the ♣K.

[helene_t]

5♥. I will pass 6♦.

[Edmunte1]

I'll try 4NT, followed by 5♥

[gnasher]

I'd bid 6♥ over the opening bid. Maybe that will go (dbl) pass (7♦).

 

I'm surprised at people's willingness to defend 5♠: I'd expect it be cold, with partner not having much outside hearts, and at least one black ace likely to be on my left, not to mention the lead problem. In fact, I'd be worried about beating 6♠ by RHO. (If LHO bids 6♠ himself, I'll Lightner double and pray that partner has more diamonds than clubs.)

 

Hmm. I'd better bring this analysis to an end before I talk myself into bidding 7♥.

[mike777]

I'd bid 6♥ over the opening bid.  Maybe that will go (dbl) pass (7♦).

 

I'm surprised at people's willingness to defend 5♠: I'd expect it be cold, with partner not having much outside hearts, and at least one black ace likely to be on my left, not to mention the lead problem.  In fact, I'd be worried about beating 6♠ by RHO.  (If LHO bids 6♠ himself, I'll Lightner double and pray that partner has more diamonds than clubs.)

 

Hmm.  I'd better bring this analysis to an end before I talk myself into bidding 7♥.

yes 5s may be cold...yes they may make what they bid....this is shocking!????

 

1) We preempt//and again preempt...they bid 5 and make it...wow.....shocking...this is bad bridge by us????

2) they bid 5 over five.....we win.....or tie....I assume ...often very often......

[gnasher]

yes 5s may be cold...yes they may make what they bid....this is shocking!????

 

1) We preempt//and again preempt...they bid 5 and make it...wow.....shocking...this is bad bridge by us????

2) they bid 5 over five.....we win.....or tie....I assume ...often very often......

Who said anything was shocking?

 

If you concede 650 against 5♠, and your teammates take 300 (or 100) from 6♥, in what sense is it a tie?!;()*^&$£"!]}{@~{#}}!?|\?><.,?

[phil_20686]

Partner will probably not have preempted with A empty to seven and an otside ace, so i would epext 6♥ to have no play, but i would still put it on the table smoothly, and double 6♠ if it comes back around. With this level of fit it just seems incredibly likely that the pposition will make game. I would put 6h on the table smoothly and hope to escape undoubled. I do not beleive that I would be allwed to play in 5h, and i think if you want to preempt you should do it before they get into the auction. Bidding 4♥ and backing in with 5h later seems very unsatisfactory.

Then again, my hand has some serious defence, and hoping to beat 5s on a diamond lead is not at all unreasonable, so I could try 4/5d as a lead directing bid, planning to defence 5s or 6d.

I would definately not bid 4h, that just seems to let the opposition in cheaply when you are sureit is not going to be left in.

[han]

Depends on the opponents. If I thought that 5H would likely win it then I would try that, else 6H. If I do bid 5H then I am bidding 6H next.

 

I don't think that you'll often get to play 4H and I don't think that 4H followed by 5H is likely to work this time.

[Apollo81]

I like 5♥. I think that we have enough high cards so that there is a chance of double, all pass.

 

Clearly I am bidding 6♥ over Xp6♦, I am not risking a huge negative number by passing when the save is probably -300 at worst.

[pclayton]

Evil Phil is thinking about a 4♦ psyche, but at the table he'd probably just bid 6♥.

[jdonn]

I like 6♥ direct.

[mikeh]

My call over 3♥ is a natural, forcing 4♦.

 

I don't think it is close. With luck, partner will sign off in 4♥, and maybe now we get to play there, as each opp is looking at a horrendous diamond break. At worst, partner raises... maybe even with a (shortness-showing) black cue... over which I will sign off in 5♥... I cannot construct a hand on which partner will override my decision, and it would take a very confident and perceptive opp to risk assuming that I have psyched my void.

 

Oh, and if LHO surprises me by bidding 4♠♠ into the teeth of my forcing bid in a suit where he has length and strength, I have directed the lead, and rendered any attempt by RHO to show diamonds impossible... any diamond bid by either opp is now a cue bid.

 

Edit: on looking at the last few posts, I see that Phil almost but not quite found the right call.... Phil... it ain't evil... it's just imaginative :)

[jdonn]

I am shocked you so clearly think any call can be certainly right, especially a psych :) I have always agreed doubling shows takeout of hearts, so since it will go double pass pass, isn't 4♦ anti-preemptive?

[cherdano]

I wish I had another account with which I would make the following post in order to stir some discussion:

 

I will just bid 4♥ and pass if they only bid game. Game bids over 3H P 4H are so wide-ranging that they might well play 4S+2 or 5D+1 or even 5D+2. They won't sell out to 5♥ with a void opposite a singleton, and I don't want to push them to slam when I know that the black cards are onside for them.

 

I wouldn't want to make the post with my own account since I don't fully agree with the strategy, I think bidding 5♥ or 6♥ (my choice) has too much upside: It may be a good save against game, it may

push them to 6♠ by LHO down one after my Lightner double, or otherwise induce them to make a mistake

 

But I do think bidding 4♥ and passing is much better than bidding 4♦, which doesn't work against the opponents I usually play against on BBO: They know 5♦ over 4♦ is natural, and they know it has a higher minimum than 5♦ over 4♥ (since LHO could pass and balance 5♦ with a minimal hand), and they know that a double of 4♦ is takeout of hearts, and that double-then-5♦ shows a strong flexible hand.

True, there are some opponents against which 4♦ may be a good bid, but they have to be

1. good enough to bid slam over 4♥ on a pure value-auction, and

2. bad enough not to know how to handle a baby-psych.