plaur Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 [hv=d=s&s=sxhkjtxxdqtcakqxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♥ - p - 1♠ - 2♦?(X = 3 card ♠ sup)[/hv]Playing Stand Am what do you bid? If you bid 3♣, can you stop below game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Yes, a 3C bid in competition is not forcing as it is the lowest level you have available to bid clubs. It does show extra values since you are free bidding at the 3 level, but could be significantly weaker than a jump shift and is not forcing. This hand is fine for a 3C bid even though the DQ is looking dubious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Tough question. Actually I would say, that if you bid 3C you commit the partnership to game, ... that is one reason why most / lots of adv./expert partnerships play some conv.after they have overcalled. Scan the forum after the topic "Good/Bad 2NT" or "Lebensohl". I would pass, playing with an intelligent partner, who takes the opponents bid into account, without always saying "I always believe partner, and I dont care what the opponents bid", youcan of course make the 3C bid, partner knows the amount of points he has, 2D showed +10, and there are at most 40HCP in the deck, he can make the math to work out what we hold, knowingthat we are sometimes are forced to strecht (he should not assume,that the opponents hold a dead min. for their bidding), maybe we hear a 3D bid from the other opponents as well, which would account for at least another 5-6HCP from the 40HCP pot. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: I have overlooked the fact that the 2D occurred in 4th seat,this makes the assumption, that bid is based on +10HCP a littlebit dubious, not much, but a little bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Actually I would say, that if you bid 3C you commit the partnership to game, ... uhh no offense but this is terrible advice, please do not listen to it. This is non standard, bad, and wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Agree with Justin here. 3♣ definitely shows extras but isn't forcing, although partner will try to bid with an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Actually I would say, that if you bid 3C you commit the partnership to game, ... uhh no offense but this is terrible advice, please do not listen to it. This is non standard, bad, and wrong. ..., I wont argue and certainly I dont play it myself this way,but this is / was just my guess about the meaning, if one only assumes standard. How else do would you force to game, ... maybe via 3D.As long as we agree it showes add. strength in standard, Iwont disagree, there will always be a fine line between add. strength and forcing. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 3C is non-forcing. If opener has a powerful hand, opener can bid a GF 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 3C is non-forcing. If opener has a powerful hand, opener can bid a GF 3D. Yes Justin's post says it all for SAYCish bidding, IMHO. I realize this is B/I but for thiose of you who play GB2NT in this sequence, would a direct 3♣ bid be forcing showing that really good hand, or would you, as I would use a 3♦ cue bid for that absolute GF hand..ie the one that would have been happy to jump shift to 3♣ if the opps had been silent ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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