CSGibson Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skt7hq98daq73cqt3]133|100|Scoring: IMP(P)-1♦-(2♣)-X,(P)-?[/hv] Negative double could be a hand with no convenient rebid (ie 4-3-3-3 or 4-3-4-2 with one major and good points), a weak hand with a long major, or both majors. What call do you think is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 2nt. Taking my medication like a grown boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I've played in 3-3 fits in situations like this, but I still think 2♥ is your bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 oh well, I see zero good options. The good news for me is when I pass this dble and they make at least it is not game. Not fond of showing my 3 card major in this position because partner never gets it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 2♥. Good hand for playing that 1♦ is always unbalanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I used to bid 2NT, but I got sick of everyone I know who is good telling me how much it means I suck. So 2♥ it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Certainly partner and I already knew what I would do on this expectable auction. So I do that agreed bid/pass. Assuming 13 bal scattered honors is outside 1NT opener, what did your partnership decide to do here? I fear 2H finds H3-4 misses S3-5. Clubs on my left, maybe C-stop. I try 2NT hoping partner can/will show 5cM/even good 4cM fearing 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Certainly partner and I already knew what I would do on this expectable auction. So I do that agreed bid/pass. Assuming 13 bal scattered honors is outside 1NT opener, what did your partnership decide to do here? I fear 2H finds H3-4 misses S3-5. Clubs on my left, maybe C-stop. I try 2NT hoping partner can/will show 5cM/even good 4cM fearing 3NT. So over 2NT by you, partner will bid a four card major, fearing you don't have a 2NT bid? I stand corrected in everything I've ever thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 2♥ seems the best here...even though it looks somewhat ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathyab Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I'm surprised there are more votes for 2♥ than 2♦. Isn't that the bid that's a catch-all for hands that don't have any other convenient bid ? Either partner has tolerance for Diamonds or a longer major which he can bid at the 2-level. The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 2♥ but I'd pass at MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs. Why does he need poor clubs, he could just be not good enough to bid on. And isn't this a HUGE problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs. Why does he need poor clubs, he could just be not good enough to bid on. And isn't this a HUGE problem? This. Also you are dreaming if you think partner is bidding 2M over 2D with (54)22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I'm surprised there are more votes for 2♥ than 2♦. Isn't that the bid that's a catch-all for hands that don't have any other convenient bid ? Either partner has tolerance for Diamonds or a longer major which he can bid at the 2-level. The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs. 2♦ isn't a catch-all for me; it's a natural bid showing long diamonds. I'm a 2♥ bidder here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Certainly partner and I already knew what I would do on this expectable auction. So I do that agreed bid/pass. Assuming 13 bal scattered honors is outside 1NT opener, what did your partnership decide to do here? I fear 2H finds H3-4 misses S3-5. Clubs on my left, maybe C-stop. I try 2NT hoping partner can/will show 5cM/even good 4cM fearing 3NT. Actually, the situation never came up. I had this hand and it went 1♦-(2♣)-All pass. Partner's other option was a negative double, over which I would have had this problem. I would have bid 2♥, I think, but I wanted the opinions of other who had been in this situation before (since I'm sure it's not rare). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathyab Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs. Why does he need poor clubs, he could just be not good enough to bid on. And isn't this a HUGE problem? This. Also you are dreaming if you think partner is bidding 2M over 2D with (54)22.2nt over 2♦ would be NF, so with decent clubs he might do that or might have passed originally intending to pass partner's double with length in clubs. 2M over 2♦ is also NF, so I don't understand the problem in doing that if you recognize that partner might have had to bid that over your double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 The main argument for 2nt is, that it very often gets you to the right game. That is, at least if you do not play anything fancy. If the system-constructor is alive to the danger of these troublesome hands, and have made a device that checks if 2♥ was a three-card suit, the bid gains a lot. At least in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 2♥ for me, the least of evils. If partner's got game values and 4-card hearts he don't HAVE to jump to 4♥, we can still play 3NT when that's the best strain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I used to bid 2NT, but I got sick of everyone I know who is good telling me how much it means I suck. So 2♥ it is! Nope, I still bid 2NT on these hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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