Mosene Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Your are the dealer with the hand below and the bidding goes as follows: 1♣ - P - 1♦ - p3♣ - P - 3♥ - p?? What do you bid next and why? ♠---♥1073♦A73♣AKQ10987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 4♠, which I believe should show spade shortness three card diamond support since I have already denied four hearts. It's possible we can end in diamonds when we belong in clubs but I'm not sure that can be helped since I refuse to not support diamonds now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 How about 3♠, asking pard to bid 3NT with a stopper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosene Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I bid 4 diamonds. And partner bid 5 diamonds - do you then pass? I did. We only made 7. I felt partner could (should) have bid 4 hearts after 5 diamonds. I then bid 4 spades and we are off to the races. Is 4 spades clear cut? Does 4 diamonds show 3? Partners hand. ♠qx♥AKJX♦KQ9XXXX♣-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I bid 4 diamonds. And partner bid 5 diamonds - do you then pass? I did. We only made 7. I felt partner could (should) have bid 4 hearts after 5 diamonds. I then bid 4 spades and we are off to the races. Is 4 spades clear cut? Does 4 diamonds show 3? Partners hand. ♠qx♥AKJX♦KQ9XXXX♣-- I think your pard has a 4♥ call over 4♦ - although there is some concern this could denote a 5-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Wow, if partner wants to bid diamonds over 4♦, he should certainly bid 6♦, not 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosene Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I am mostly interested in the merits of 4♠ instead of 4♦. Is 4 spades fairly automatic, or is it close b/n 4 spades and 4 diamonds? My thought was that 4 diamonds is forcing and gives partner more room (plus it was a pick-up partner on BBO so I thought 4 spades had a risk side to it as well). Not sure if it shows 3 diamonds or not - although I think it should. Any input appreciated. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 4♦ would have to show three diamonds since with a hand like xx AQx Ax KQJxxx could bid 4♥, having already denied four of them (or 3♠ if it wanted to). Other than that partner might misunderstand though, I can't think of any reason NOT to bid 4♠. Can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 4♦ would have to show three diamonds since with a hand like xx AQx Ax KQJxxx could bid 4♥, having already denied four of them (or 3♠ if it wanted to). Other than that partner might misunderstand though, I can't think of any reason NOT to bid 4♠. Can you? Does 3♥ promise a control? (no) Does 4♠ say "bid 6 with a heart control"? (no). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 4♦ would have to show three diamonds since with a hand like xx AQx Ax KQJxxx could bid 4♥, having already denied four of them (or 3♠ if it wanted to). Other than that partner might misunderstand though, I can't think of any reason NOT to bid 4♠. Can you? Does 3♥ promise a control? (no) Does 4♠ say "bid 6 with a heart control"? (no). Is 4♠ the last bid below slam? (no) Are you still sure 4♦ 4♥ doesn't promise 5-6, or is even forcing? (no) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Agree that 4♠ is easily the best bid playing with a regular partner. Don't know what is best playing with a BBO pick-up partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 4♦ would have to show three diamonds since with a hand like xx AQx Ax KQJxxx could bid 4♥, having already denied four of them (or 3♠ if it wanted to). Other than that partner might misunderstand though, I can't think of any reason NOT to bid 4♠. Can you? Does 3♥ promise a control? (no) Does 4♠ say "bid 6 with a heart control"? (no). Do I want to say "Bid 6 with a heart control!"? (no) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 4♠ looks superb to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 -I think your partner should have started with 3♦ instead of 3♥1♣-1♦3♣-3♦4♦-4♥5♠(exc)-7♦ -Over 4♦ he had an easy 4♥ bid too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguelm Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 4S strikes me as a bit dangerous... is our fit in Diams. that clear...? Can't I have 4 Hearts...? If not, why the 3H bid...? After the 3H bid, two bids are still possible, 3S (4th suit) and 4D.I like 3S better. 4D sounds like a hand that doesn't want to go further if partner can't make an attempt on his own. After 3H I don't think I need him to have that much. After 3S, if partner bids 3N (or 4C for that matter), I will clarifie where we stand with 4D, if he bids 4D, I will bid 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 4S strikes me as a bit dangerous... is our fit in Diams. that clear...? Can't I have 4 Hearts...? If not, why the 3H bid...? The 3♣ jump rebid denies holding a 4-card major suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Your are the dealer with the hand below and the bidding goes as follows: 1♣ - P - 1♦ - p3♣ - P - 3♥ - p?? What do you bid next and why? ♠---♥1073♦A73♣AKQ10987 Hi, 3S. For whats it worth: partner does not need to hold 5 diamonds, 3H was just stopper showing.He may be 4-4, he may be 4333, what do I know, and for that matter partner does not need to holdmore than 7/8HCP either. If you dont want to bid 3S, bid 4C, setting trumps. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: whith partners actual hand, he should have bid3D, it showes 5 diamond, and gives partner max. roomto decribe his hand further, if you dont like the bid, bid 4D, after 3C you wont stop below th 6 level anyway, soyou may as well show your 6 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 4S strikes me as a bit dangerous... is our fit in Diams. that clear...? Can't I have 4 Hearts...? If not, why the 3H bid...? 3♥ shows a stopper (although 3♥ followed by 4♥ might be interpreted as 5-6, as Phil says). What about 3♠, asking p to bid 3NT with a spade stopper? I think p would have bid 3NT instead of 3♥ if 3NT is the right contract. 3♠ should show a little bid in spades, at least Jx or xxx I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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