jillybean Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dealer: North Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ KT86 ♥ A ♦ K52 ♣ Q9854 West North East South - 1♥ Pass ? Whats your plan? (playing 2/1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I'd start with a GF. There are a variety of strains where this could belong and starting with 2♣ lets us look for the correct strain more easily. 4♥, 4♠, and 3NT all look like possibilities right now. If it goes 1♥ 1♠ 2♥, now you really have no way to tell if 3NT or 4♥ will be better and basically just have to take a shot at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Its close but I'll go the low road with 1♠. -Stiff A is a problematic holding. -Our club suit sucks. Forcing this to game feels like an overbid to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 2♣. It may be a slight overbid, but at least it has the benefit of being a more natural auction. If you bid 1 ♠, you won't be able to introduce the clubs without creating a game force anyway, and you lose the relative suit lengths. Starting 2 ♣ lets you pattern out your hand, usually with a 2 ♠ bid next, or 3N if partner raises clubs (I would usually play that raising clubs denies a four card spade suit). Let's be honest: You probably won't be happy if the auction dies below game level anyway, so you might as well force now and get the benefits of your actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 2C. Certainly not embarrassed about my hand, it looks pretty average for a 12count to GF the auction. If I already am treating this hand as a GF I would not bid 1S because the auction can get quite complicated after that and I don't want to lie about my shape too. Nothing's stopping us from finding a spade fit after 2C too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dealer: North Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ KT86 ♥ A ♦ K52 ♣ Q9854 West North East South - 1♥ Pass 2♣ Pass 2♦ Pass ? For those who chose to force game, what is your next move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 2NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I would've bid 1♠. 2NT now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 1♠. If partner bids 2♦, 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 1S. After 2D over my 2C, I bid 2NT, you haveto show the spade stopper. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 It really depends on your opening bid style, but I think if you are not opening an abnormal amount of 11 counts GFing with this is fine. Red at imps you should aim to reach thin 12 opposite 12/13 games rather than stay out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=a&n=saqj5hkt842djt84c&w=s92hqj73da96cjt62&e=s743h965dq73cak73&s=skt86hadk52cq9854]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - 1♥ Pass 2♣ Pass 2♦ Pass 2NT Pass 3NT Pass Pass Pass Here's the full hand, from a team match I was kibitzing. The other table played 4♠ after a 1♠ response.I was interested if people always bypass a 4M with a game forcing hand, what if the auction had gone 1♦ (P) 2♣ (4♥) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 North should pattern out with 3♠... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Yes, north should bid 3S for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 This is a style question. Being a light opener, this is an automatic 1♠ for me. If you're opening style is semi-solid it's very close between 1♠ and 2♣, and playing a sound opening style there's no question this is a 2♣ GF response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Agree that N should pattern with 3S. The decision to bid 1S or 2C has nothing to do with the result IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I would always force this hand to game vulnerable at IMPs. I open pretty much all 5332 11 counts, and still I don't think this is a close decision. Given that the hand is a game force, bidding 2♣ instead of 1♠ is not 'bypassing a 4M', it is bidding out your shape. And, as others have said, North has a completely routine 3♠ bid after 2NT. One huge benefit of having a forcing 2NT here is being able to learn more about North's hand. North's 3NT is a bad bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 3♠ pattern out show 3 not 4, how does it help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 You don't need to show 3 spades in this auction. To show a 5440 is more important here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I would have responded 1S. If you open most 11 counts then this is not even a close call. To those "patterning out" - wouldn't Nth bid the same way with a 3541 shape and a good hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I would have responded 1S. If you open most 11 counts then this is not even a close call. To those "patterning out" - wouldn't Nth bid the same way with a 3541 shape and a good hand? I think I'd just 3N with a 3451. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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