benlessard Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Tx,AJxxx,Qxx,xxx 1C (15+)-------------------1D (waiting 0+)1S (5S unbal)--------------1Nt (relay 0+)2C (♦15-17 or 22+GF)------2D to play (0-8)3D (5♦ no void GF)---------3H ♦keycards3Nt (3)--------------------------4D (asking for K of S & showing the ♦Q)5D (K♠+2nd round of ♥ & ♣ + Q of ♠ + no extras) 6D or not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 From the looks of things partner has 1. 22+ HCP2. Either 5=2=5=1 or 5=1=5=2 shape3. Either the three missing Aces or 2 Aces and the King of Diamonds4. The KQ of Spades5. Second round controls in both Clubs and Hearts In theory, I suppose that partner could have a slow loser in a round suit and be missing the Ace of Spades; in which case a round suit lead might knock out the Ace before I can establish Spades for the pitch. Alternatively, partner could be sitting on Kx in a Clubs and an open lead of the Q of Clubs could be deadly. In practice, even if I give partner ♠ AKQxx♥ Q♦ AKxxx♣ KJ slam looks to have pretty reasonable play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 If not for Richard's post, I would have no idea from the original post what the auction meant. 2♦ to play? 3♥ keycard for what? But if what we know about partner's hand is what he listed I bid 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 This system appears incomprehensible and unplayable; and I have toyed with just about everything under the sun. You have 2 bids to show 0+???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Well, what I know of the system does not thrill me but as well as Richard's subset, it could be ie some grouping of 6511s with strong Honour singletons. THe concept of the weak hand taking control in such circumstances (as opposed to showing pieces) is somewhat bizarre and would be all the clearer if there was not prime support for a 5 card suit. Ron, I think the OP uses one-level (non-NT) bids as a 1-rd force and then transfers over any puppet (which puppet I assume denies primary support) to ensure a further rebid with very strong hands - albeit this is guesswork. Not "unplayable" but relatively inefficient I concede.regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Well, what I know of the system does not thrill me but as well as Richard's subset, it could be ie some grouping of 6511s with strong Honour singletons. THe concept of the weak hand taking control in such circumstances (as opposed to showing pieces) is somewhat bizarre and would be all the clearer if there was not prime support for a 5 card suit. Ron, I think the OP uses one-level (non-NT) bids as a 1-rd force and then transfers over any puppet (which puppet I assume denies primary support) to ensure a further rebid with very strong hands - albeit this is guesswork. Not "unplayable" but relatively inefficient I concede.regards Yeah Fred, unplayable was a mild overbid. However the methods are very poor and certainly open to pre emption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I guess 6♦ is okay. Really, having the 0-8 hand find out about partner's 22+ is silly, gives relay a bad name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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