dicklont Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 ♠ Kxx♥ K10x♦ AK10xxx♣ x You open 1♦, partner answers 1♥.What is your rebid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 2H here...pick your rationale based on the form of scoring. More likely to get us to game (and the right game) if it's IMPs; more likely to get us to the right partscore at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I prefer 2♥, but I'm fairly indifferent between 2♥ and 2♦. This isn't strong enough, in my view, to qualify for the bridge world death hand, so anything else is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 2h . Can live with 2d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I have diamonds. I bid diamonds. Oh I forgot I was on the forums, gotta bid 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 2♥ for me, but 2♦ is fine too. Depends on partnership agreements, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I switch back and forth over time but usually bid 2♥. For the most part 2♦ is better if it's a partscore hand, 2♥ is better to reach a close game, and they are about equal on obvious game or slam hands, as long as you have a decent system after the raise. I prefer them to overcall and just let me support double :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 2♥ at MPs, 2♦ at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 2h always, not close at all for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsboy Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 2♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 It seems to me 2♦ is completely normal and wouldn't consider 2♥ with such an easy natural choice, but since them junior champs all bid 2♥ maybe I should adapt. It'll give partner some practice in 4-3 fits :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted August 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 The hands were♠ Kxx♥ K10x♦ AK10xxx♣ x ♠ Axx♥ AQxxxx♦ Qx♣ xx we got to 4♥ after1♦ - 1♥2♦ - 3♥4♥ - pass The hands fit perfectly, slam is laydown. Could it be reached after a 2♥ rebid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsboy Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I'm not an expert but I think sometimes 2D helps more in bidding slams, or even games. (Not so fond of 3 card raises...especially with very good diamonds) I think this hand is too good for a 2H raise. But 2H closes the auction just as often as 2D, not? 2D also helps partner to upgrade his Diamonds if he has 3 cards or 2 card with an Honour. If the auction goes 1D-1H-2D-2H, i will be happy to raise to 3H. In this case, 1D - 1H2D - 2S3H / 3S / 4C (dunno whats 3S / 4C in std).... If there is any way to know about Good Ds + Singleton C, the Slam could be bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 The hands were♠ Kxx♥ K10x♦ AK10xxx♣ x ♠ Axx♥ AQxxxx♦ Qx♣ xx we got to 4♥ after1♦ - 1♥2♦ - 3♥4♥ - pass The hands fit perfectly, slam is laydown. Could it be reached after a 2♥ rebid? On the actual auction 3♥ seems like a big underbid to me. You have a six-card suit and 12 prime points. Your ♦ queen has grown in value when partner opened and rebid diamonds. I would want to force to game with this hand. 3♥ is normally played as invitational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Prefer to rebid 2♦. I'm not a huge fan of unnecessary 3-card raises. Just a style thing I think. Agree that 3♥ is an underbid with the given hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 A possible auction would be: 1♦ - 1♥2♦ - 3♥+3♠* - 4♦!4NT - 5♠6♥ + GF (playing WJS, which is expert standard here)* Advanced cuebid, or looking for help in ♣ for 3N! Nothing in ♣, but something in ♦ North can now "see" that his hand is great and that the ♦ give discards, and ask for Key Cards. 2+Q is enough. On the other hand, I don't see an easy way to uncover the ♦ potential if South simply raises on 3 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsboy Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 no, Gerben. I dont think 3H is FG... a rebid 2H should be around 7-10, 3H is invite, and FG starts by bidding a new suit i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 no, Gerben. I dont think 3H is FG... a rebid 2H should be around 7-10, 3H is invite, and FG starts by bidding a new suit i think. It isn't in Standard American, but it is in Rieneck standard, which is what the younger German experts play. The reason is that SJS are very uncommon here, and bidding a new suit first when you don't have one complicates things a lot. In our case, 2♥ is around 9 - 11, and 3♥ is GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I also play 3♥ as GF, which makes this a non-problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I also have always played 3♥ as gameforcing. 1♦ 1♥2♦ 3♥ is different from 1♦ 1♥2♣ 3♥ The first auction does not have 4th suit available. And, there is much less need for a weak 2♥ rebid - opener has limited their hand, and shown a 6 card suit.So I play that 2♥ is reasonably constructive, and 3♥ is forcing. Not sure if this is standard or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I bid 2 diamonds, unless pard knows I will bid 2 hearts with 3 cards, then use what ever methods available to determine what kind is 2heart raise I have made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Nice hand anytime we find partner with any sort of invite we are clearly worth some strong move to accept. Any game force hand they might hold we have slam aspirations for sure. 2D getting the 6th trump across could be best but raising H sure seems more reasonable. One point strongly in favor of the H raise is the opps have been silent suggesting this is clearly our hand, finding the best strain for game is my initial interest, slam next. 2H is almost an underbid really, our hand got much better on the bidding to date.Those that use methods to ask about the type of major suit raise should easily reach 6H. Even not the auction may go:1D 1H2H 2S4C key card landing in 6H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 And, there is much less need for a weak 2♥ rebid - opener has limited their hand, and shown a 6 card suit. Not so convinced about this part of your reason. Hearts still score better than diamonds, and above and beyond that, it's generally better to play in responder's weak suit than openers. The opening hand will have outside entries to potentially set up and use diamonds; the responding hand can be close to worthless if hearts aren't trump, and you don't have to bump up a level to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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