kvkmak Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 I gotta bring this up again. There's always 98% IMP in the Main Room. If you play MP for an hour, noone else has played the boards you've played. That sucks!!!! Something needs to be done to even out the MP vs IMP!!!!! B) :angry: :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvkmak Posted August 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Do the BridgeBase Online people monitor this board and ever comment on the suggestions??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Do the BridgeBase Online people monitor this board and ever comment on the suggestions??? market forces people want to play IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 I wonder how much of it is because IMPs is the defaults and many people will never bother to change it (Or even know how to...) Would be interesting to make it default to MP for a week and see the stats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Do the BridgeBase Online people monitor this board and ever comment on the suggestions??? Yes, you will often see responses from Fred and Uday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 FWIW, I think it is bec. IMPs is the default, but I'm not positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwingo Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 If it is possible, BBO should try out something like switching defaults on a daily basis - All Odd Numbered date will be IMP and even numbered will be MP. Run it for a month and collect feedback regarding player preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Oy so much complication will never ever be popular with the masses. If someone wants to play matchpoints, set the table to matchpoints! If it's not broke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvkmak Posted August 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Oy so much complication will never ever be popular with the masses. If someone wants to play matchpoints, set the table to matchpoints! If it's not broke... I think it's because of the default. Most people who use computers get the bare minimum to work and then just live with it. They'd don't bother to look for options to make things more interesting or different or better. I also bet most people just use the Find Me a Table option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Oy so much complication will never ever be popular with the masses. If someone wants to play matchpoints, set the table to matchpoints! If it's not broke... I think it's because of the default. Most people who use computers get the bare minimum to work and then just live with it. They'd don't bother to look for options to make things more interesting or different or better. I also bet most people just use the Find Me a Table option. I tend to agree, most people arent even aware of the choices...they just do the minimum to get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I have seen other sites where the actual choice is less of a default. The overwhelming majority still choose IMP scoring. IMP scoring is more like bridge as we learn it (big rewards for games and slams). The MP option is there for those who want it. There is not really anything to fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I have seen other sites where the actual choice is less of a default. The overwhelming majority still choose IMP scoring. IMP scoring is more like bridge as we learn it (big rewards for games and slams). The MP option is there for those who want it. There is not really anything to fix. Well, you may be right of course. I'm not querying your information on that. But it seems weird to me. MP or BAM is a fairer way of scoring a relatively limited number of boards. IMPs, over a limited number of boards, is very prone to having one or two big boards affect the whole of the scoring with the rest effectively becoming irrelevant. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 When I played at StepBridge, where MP was default (but since there were less table options, it may have been more obvious that there was an alternative. Besides, lack of language barriere makes it more likely that people will notice) there were some 65% MP and 35% IMP I think. Please don't change the defaults it will make a lot of people confused, and most dont care anyway. FWIW I prefer MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Regarding preference of IMP vs. MP: Look at the number of Tournaments played withMP scoring, and with IMP scoring, my impression is, that there more tournaments with MP scoring. Of course you may say, this is because the likethe same format as in the club. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHelm Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 FWIW, I think it is bec. IMPs is the default, but I'm not positive. Personally I think it is because IMPS is the default, AND many players have no idea that IMPS and MPS are two very different games. Actually most of the systems played, ACOL, SAYC, 2/1 were designed for MP play...but no one seems to know this. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Regarding preference of IMP vs. MP: Look at the number of Tournaments played withMP scoring, and with IMP scoring, my impression is, that there more tournaments with MP scoring. I'm fairly positive that this is not true, there are many more imp tournaments than MP (and by a wide margin, unless I am seriously mistaken). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 In 2008, using only tourneys that used either imp/mp scoring 39% of all tourneys were MP61% of all tourneys were IMP However, if you look at the # of tables in these tourneys 56% of all tourney tables were MP44% of all these tables were IMP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 ... Actually most of the systems played, ACOL, SAYC, 2/1 were designed for MP play...but no one seems to know this. Ron I'd agree that Acol, certainly as played these days, is very much a MP beast. SAYC is not my thing, but I guess it too performs at least adequately well in the same arena. But 2/1 as a MP system? Seems to me that with many more low level GF sequences it is more a vehicle for exploring slams in particular - which seems to me to make it more oriented to the IMP game Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvkmak Posted August 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 In 2008, using only tourneys that used either imp/mp scoring 39% of all tourneys were MP61% of all tourneys were IMP However, if you look at the # of tables in these tourneys 56% of all tourney tables were MP44% of all these tables were IMP If those are the Tourney stats then it seems that the default in BBO doesn't reflect the rest of the world. Because of the default, tables here are 95-98% IMP. I'm willing to bet it's all because of the default. Most just hit find me a seat or start a table and that gets them into IMPs without even making a conscious decision. I bet more people would like MP if they'd just try it. Still think there should be some way for the software to even up the default table mode a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu1997 Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 If those are the Tourney stats then it seems that the default in BBO doesn't reflect the rest of the world. Because of the default, tables here are 95-98% IMP. I'm willing to bet it's all because of the default. Most just hit find me a seat or start a table and that gets them into IMPs without even making a conscious decision. I bet more people would like MP if they'd just try it. Still think there should be some way for the software to even up the default table mode a bit. I do not think it is the default. It is what people wnat to play. Those of us who like matchpoint play will testify that we sit down and open our mp table, and, sometimes we get excellent opposition. They will then ask us to change to imps, or will state that they will open another table with imps scoring and reserve for us. Others are much less diplomatic, and state that: "There is something wrong with the table, the scoring is matchpoints" "We do not play rubber bridge" The other day i saw a lonely player in a matchpoint table and I joined as opp. He was then joined by a very advanced imps player. The poor guy kept complaining to his partner concenring the bidding , defense strategy and card play which were not suitable for matchpoint play-- in reality I suspect that the imps player just joined the table because he is known to me and wanted to chat. the lonely guy eventually left. The thing is, if you want to play matchpoints, just open your own table, or identifytds and tournaments that run matchpoint games. I think to improve in bridge, one ought to learn the matchpoints game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Matchpoints is a harder game than IMPs, and it can be very frustrating with a pick-up partner. Since that's who most people are playing with in the MBC, it's usually more fun to play IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvkmak Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Another thing about tournyes is that when only two tables play a board, it's usually scored in IMP. When many tables play a board, it's usually MP. Using that logic, MP makes a lot of sense for BBO. If the default weren't IMP, I bet most tables would be MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I am just glad so many people seem to still play in the Main Room. I could never get the hang of it. I got booted or rejected for table play so much I gave up I would ever be good enough to play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu1997 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I am just glad so many people seem to still play in the Main Room. I could never get the hang of it. I got booted or rejected for table play so much I gave up I would ever be good enough to play there. Oh Mike, that is because the main room is only for experts. Or, or for hard-heel gals, The rest may kibbitz, or eat brioche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHelm Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 I am just glad so many people seem to still play in the Main Room. I could never get the hang of it. I got booted or rejected for table play so much I gave up I would ever be good enough to play there. Oh Mike, that is because the main room is only for experts. Or, or for hard-heel gals, The rest may kibbitz, or eat brioche. We all know that the Main Lobby is mainly for rude, inconsiderate jerks not only for experts...maybe for the self-rated experts :) Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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