han Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=s109xha10xxdakq109c10]133|100|Scoring: IMP1S - 2D2S - 4C - (dbl)4H - ??[/hv] Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Keycard? Partner obviously has good trumps so let's find out where we stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Very difficult to answer as this is an area where discussion with partner helps a lot. I hate giving follow up questions, because likely the answer is going to be "no agreement", but the questions running through my mind are: 1. Why didn't partner pass and let me redouble with first round control or cue without it? 2. If partner has first round control, why didn't he redouble? If he doesn't, why was he so keen to show me his heart control? Given partner doesn't have any fitting diamond honors and he wasn't interested in hearing if we had first round spade control, he probably has concentration in the majors. Maybe something like AKQxxx KQx xx xx? I'm going to make a forward going move, but not really sure what's the best way. Guess I'll just keycard and bid slam if we're not off 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Are you asking if I'd jump to slam? Or just bid keycard first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Jumping to slam would be poor as you are missing 2 aces. The 5-level was reasonably safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Yeah I know I'm just joking. Meaning: I'm bidding 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 4♠. I've shown most of my hand. If partner has ♠AKQ and ♥KQ he should bid again; if his hearts were headed by the king only, I think he'd have passed the double of 4♣, planning to bid 4♥ on the next round. I hate going down at the five level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 4♠. I've shown most of my hand. If partner has ♠AKQ and ♥KQ he should bid again; if his hearts were headed by the king only, I think he'd have passed the double of 4♣, planning to bid 4♥ on the next round. I hate going down at the five level. Partner doesn't need that hand. Suppose that he has a maximum weak two in spades. Something like ♠AKQxx ♥x ♦xxx ♣xxx. That would fit with the control bid in hearts. Slam is a fairly good bet opposite that hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Suppose that he has a maximum weak two in spades. Something like ♠AKQxx ♥x ♦xxx ♣xxx. That would fit with the control bid in hearts. Slam is a fairly good bet opposite that hand. 5=1=3=3s normally play a trick better than their counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Suppose that he has a maximum weak two in spades. Something like ♠AKQxx ♥x ♦xxx ♣xxx. That would fit with the control bid in hearts. Slam is a fairly good bet opposite that hand. 5=1=3=3s normally play a trick better than their counterparts. See how strong my point is! Sure, if you give partner a sixth spade, the slam is easy to make. But this slam even makes when partner only has 12 cards because one of his spades is on the floor. How bad is passing when partner makes slam with 12 cards? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Suppose that he has a maximum weak two in spades. Something like ♠AKQxx ♥x ♦xxx ♣xxx. That would fit with the control bid in hearts. Slam is a fairly good bet opposite that hand. 5=1=3=3s normally play a trick better than their counterparts. See how strong my point is! Sure, if you give partner a sixth spade, the slam is easy to make. But this slam even makes when partner only has 12 cards because one of his spades is on the floor. How bad is passing when partner makes slam with 12 cards? LOL True, passing partner in his 4-1 fit would not be good if he has 12 cards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 That would be my typical result. Partner would think I introduced hearts late with a bad 6-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 About whether to pass opponent's double of our cue-bid (here it's a splinter bid, maybe different), I once heard some agreements.Similarly like this, redouble = first round control, pass = second round control, bid = no control. Anyone else ever heard of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 About whether to pass opponent's double of our cue-bid (here it's a splinter bid, maybe different), I once heard some agreements.Similarly like this, redouble = first round control, pass = second round control, bid = no control. Anyone else ever heard of this? Yeah it's different over a splinter bid since there is no point to showing second round control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 About whether to pass opponent's double of our cue-bid (here it's a splinter bid, maybe different), I once heard some agreements.Similarly like this, redouble = first round control, pass = second round control, bid = no control. Anyone else ever heard of this?Yes, I have played this (in cuebidding auctions). Pass shows a holding where we won't lose the first 2 tricks.This means second round control, or the queen of the suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 I just bid 4S. Partner didnt redouble 4C so we got 1 club loser. Partner will need AKQ of spades or AKxxxxx to have slam significatly higher than 50%. With those holding and the K of H i expect him to keep going after 4S anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 I'm keycarding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Is there any vote for 5♥ (♥A, dont worry about minors, how are your trumps?)? Keycard will keep us out of slam if partner is missing the ♠A, but it will also keep us out of a decent slam if partner has ♠AQJxxxxx ♥Kx ♦x ♣xx. Or is 5♥ an unlucky expert bid (or just plain wrong :P)? Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Or is 5♥ an unlucky expert bid (or just plain wrong :P)? First one. If partner had that hand he would have beaten us to keycard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 4H has to be forward going with no wasted club honors. key-card for me. Why can't partner be ♠AKQxx ♥Kxx ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Why can't partner be ♠AKQxx ♥Kxx He can but with this hand he will go on anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Why can't partner be ♠AKQxx ♥Kxx He can but with this hand he will go on anyway. AKQxx Kxx xxx xx? Not my partner I hope. How much less do you think he is cuebidding with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=s109xha10xxdakq109c10]133|100|Scoring: IMP1S - 2D2S - 4C - (dbl)4H - ??[/hv] Your call?As I see it, the problem with RKC isn't getting into a bad slam, it's not getting into a good one. If we're not off two keycards, partner must have something resembling a trick outside his AKQxx of spades. He did bid 4 hearts. The problem is, if partner has something like AKJxxx in spades, and something resmbling a trick. I'd go for the keycard anyway, as partner will sometimes bid AKJxxx as if he had the queen. The alternative could be 5♠ if it asked partner to raise only with solid thrumps. I wouldn't dare bid it without a specific agreement. An aside: Is it obvious that 4♣ is a splinter? Why is it not just a cue? What do you bid with a hand that is simply to god for a direct 4♠? And what would 4♥ have been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=s109xha10xxdakq109c10]133|100|Scoring: IMP1S - 2D2S - 4C - (dbl)4H - ??[/hv] Your call?As I see it, the problem with RKC isn't getting into a bad slam, it's not getting into a good one. If we're not off two keycards, partner must have something resembling a trick outside his AKQxx of spades. He did bid 4 hearts. The problem is, if partner has something like AKJxxx in spades, and something resmbling a trick. I'd go for the keycard anyway, as partner will sometimes bid AKJxxx as if he had the queen. The alternative could be 5♠ if it asked partner to raise only with solid thrumps. I wouldn't dare bid it without a specific agreement. An aside: Is it obvious that 4♣ is a splinter? Why is it not just a cue? What do you bid with a hand that is simply to god for a direct 4♠? And what would 4♥ have been? With respect to the last questions, with a hand too good for 4♠, I'd bid 3♠, inviting partner to cue. In my regular partnerships, 4♥ would be a splinter as well. As for what's obvious in a pick-up partnership...hard to say, but I would have taken 4♣ as a splinter. One of the "treatment" discussions I try to have with pickup partners is that bidding one level higher than a natural, forcing bid in a suit is a splinter. 3♣ and 3♥ are natural and forcing, so 4♣ and 4♥ are splinters. 3♠ is stronger than 4♠ on general principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 So, what would be the difference between RKCB and a direct 5S bid here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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