cherdano Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 ♠QJTxx ♥Qxx ♦x ♣KQxx. Matchpoints, all white, playing against classical precision (a Chinese women pair at the LMPs, so probably extremely good). LHO opens 1♥, P P and 1♠ by you. The auction accelerates to incredible heights as LHO rebids 2♥, partner raises to 2♠, and RHO comes up with 3♦. Bid on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 No. Arend, I am very surprised you have never heard of the law of total tricks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I pass at these dizzying heights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 They will see us waving from such greatHeights, 'come down now,' they'll sayBut everything looks perfect from far away,'come down now,' but we'll stay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I'd pass because the hand is terrible. Partner is also aware of the vulnerability and scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 If LHO has 7H im probably happy they play 3D instead of 3H. If LHO has 6H then I can lose 3H, 1D, 1C & 2S. Partner is favorite to have 2 cover (esp since its a limited 1H) unless hes got major wastage in D. I dont think 3D is going down often. So a confident 3S seems correct. But its a close call. What im wondering however is why RHO didnt make a 3D preempt on round 1 but is willing to compete after 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I don't know what a direct 3D would have meant for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Rather than bid my same minimal values twice, I pass and wait for PD's input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I pass smoothly so that my partner isn't barred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I can't imagine bidding here. We may have allowed the opps to improve the partscore (130 rather than 110 or 150 rather than 140) but we can't panic on that account... it's not as if anyone in the LMP is likely to pass out 1♥, even if the auction goes the same way on the first round. We have a partner. Let partner earn his keep, if it is right to bid 3♠. And if we get a bad board? So what. Masterminding, and 3♠ strikes me as masterminding, is a recipe for a lot of bad boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol. Why does RHO have a stiff or void? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol. Why does RHO have a stiff or void? I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol. Why does RHO have a stiff or void? I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise.I strongly disagree. If I held xx QJ109xxx in the reds, I'd always bid 3♦ rather than 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol. Why does RHO have a stiff or void? I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise.I strongly disagree. If I held xx QJ109xxx in the reds, I'd always bid 3♦ rather than 3♥ Why does your statement mean that you strongly disagree with my statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol. Why does RHO have a stiff or void? I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise. Well, OTOH there are many hands that would pass out 2♠ with singleton in hearts, but bid 3♦ with a doubleton (and one fewer black card). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Results: Partner had Axx xx AJx Txxxx, RHO had xx T9 KQT9xxx Jx. Both 3♦ and 3♠ make. -110 was not a good score.Yes nobody I know would pass the first round with RHO's hand, but as I said they were playing classical precision. At the table, I passed, and it seemed rather clear. On reflection, I am not so sure anymore. I suppose if RHO has a doubleton heart, it will be right to bid more often than not (they very likely have a double fit in that case). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol. Why does RHO have a stiff or void? I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise. Well, OTOH there are many hands that would pass out 2♠ with singleton in hearts, but bid 3♦ with a doubleton (and one fewer black card). I don't agree. I would expect them to bid every single time they had 7 diamonds. With 6 diamonds and 2 hearts I would expect them to often raise hearts, and sometimes pass, and occasionally bid 3D and with 6 diamonds and short hearts I would expect them to often bid 3D and sometimes pass. I cannot think of any hand where they would bid 3D because they had a doubleton heart but would pass if they had a stiff heart. If it exists it must surely be a tiny subset of hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy4hoop Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Pass. Give partner a chance and let partner know his/her input is valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Rather than bid my same minimal values twice, I pass and wait for PD's input. A 6 1/2 loser 10-count is nowhere near "minimal values" for my non-vulnerable balances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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