where it goes off the sayc track?

[jaapfr]

[hv=d=n&v=e&n=shak7dkjt93caq732&s=skt42hj542da862ct]133|200|Scoring: IMP

My pd opens 1!D-1!H-3!C-3!S(4th)-6!H (EW only pass)

We agree that it was crazy bidding but where it does go off the track we can not agree on:) (as incidental partners)[/hv]

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

the auction

 

1D - 1H

3C - 3S

6H

 

#1 1D ok

#2 1H ok

#3 3C a matter of style, I would say 2C is enough,

since 3C forces to game and you dont have a fit,

but ok

#4 3S ??? Either bid 3NT or bid 4D, since both seem

to agree, that 3S is FSF, what is the point of the bid?

#5 6H is out of space, one would believe that 3C showed

the hand, and 3S certainly does not promise a 5

carder, descirbe your hand further, e.g. with a 4H bid

 

The above comments are more or less valid for all natural

systems, i.e. there is no special SAYC flavour.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[benlessard]

3C is 100% GF. After 3C you dont need 4th suit forcing. So 3D instead of 3S is the correct bid.

 

After 3D, 3H showing something in H. Now with Ktxx in S and not that much extras south will bid 3Nt.

 

1D----1H

3C----3D

3H----3Nt

 

Now i think north can either pass or bid 4C.

[helene_t]

N already overbid a little with 3♣ so 6♥ is silly. 4♥ is plenty.

 

S should bid 3♦ instead of 3♠. I could have some sympathy for a pragmatic 3NT or a more enthusiastic 4♦ but 3♠ is really pointless. It takes away bidding space and it gives opener no opportunity to bid 3NT without a spade stopper. It is not even clear (at least not to me) what 3♠ means here.

 

A sensible auction would be something like

1♦-1♥

2♣-2♦

3♥*-3NT

 

*maybe 2♥ is enough.

[benlessard]

*maybe 2H is enough.

I think a jumpshift is better than 2C because of the D spots. But i can live with 2C. Over 2D however its a clear cut 3H, 2H would be a gross underbid.

[han]

3C was a serious overbid. 2C is normal. If partner bids 2D you will bid again to show your extra strength.

 

3S was a really really bad bid. It is clear to bid diamonds.

 

6H I won't comment on.

[jdonn]

I agree with 3♣, partner bid our AKx not our void. We can have slam opposite very very little. After that 3♠ was a vague waste of time, and 6♥ was from another planet.

[dbsboy]

3C is a good bid, AKX in partner's suit worths a huge upgrade.

 

I like 3D showing support instead of 3S.

[EricK]

#3 3C a matter of style, I would say 2C is enough,

    since 3C forces to game and you dont have a fit,

    but ok

In one of Victor Mollo's stories, the Hideous Hog says "the key to success at bridge is to realise that everyone is dealt 13 cards, even RR".

 

With that in mind, there is no way we don't have a fit on this hand (if partner has 13 cards and exactly 4♥, 2♦ and 2♣, then he wouldn't have responded 1♥).