rogerclee Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 IMPs, All White, Second Seat ♠KQx ♥AJT9x ♦xx ♣AQx (1NT) - Dbl - (2♣) - 2♠(P) - ? 1NT is 10-12, 2♣ is ♣+other. No specific discussion about 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I play that pass if forcing over 2C and partner's 2S shows a weak hand. We have a good hand for spades but I think we should pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 IMPs, All White, Second Seat ♠KQx ♥AJT9x ♦xx ♣AQx (1NT) - Dbl - (2♣) - 2♠(P) - ? 1NT is 10-12, 2♣ is ♣+other. No specific discussion about 2♠. 3C As a nonexpert given 2s is undiscussed I cuebid 3c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I play pass as forcing with T/O doubles from both sides. 2♠ shows something, since one would pass and pull with a bad hand. 3♠ is middle of the road in my usual style against the miniNT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I play that pass if forcing over 2C and partner's 2S shows a weak hand. We have a good hand for spades but I think we should pass. If this is true then I shall pass. If it is not true then thou shalt invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I don't understand the compulsion to bid, our hand is not much more than minimum and we only have 3 spades. If partner had 9 points he would have forced to game himself. edited, i said "dont even have 3 spades" when I meant to say "only have 3 spades" heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 invite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 You seem to play dbl as penalty showing 16+ with a balanced hand.I don't see anything in your hand that is not already shown,so unless 2♠ is forcing, the bid is pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 You seem to play dbl as penalty showing 16+ with a balanced hand.I don't see anything in your hand that is not already shown,so unless 2♠ is forcing, the bid is pass. our hand is not much more than minimum1NT is 10-12.If you play penalty DBL over that (probably a good idea?), what is the minimum in direct position?Over weak 1NT (12-14) I play it as 14+, over 10-12 I would think the minimum is 12..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 1NT is 10-12.If you play penalty DBL over that (probably a good idea?), what is the minimum in direct position?Over weak 1NT (12-14) I play it as 14+, over 10-12 I would think the minimum is 12..? Penalty double of any strength weak notrump should show at least a strong notrump, 15+ (can often stretch with 14). It's true they can steal a game if your strength is very evenly divided, but get much weaker than that and you simply get your side into trouble too often. This is pretty much expert standard I believe. It's very old fashioned and not good to have double of notrump show "their range or better" or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 1NT is 10-12.If you play penalty DBL over that (probably a good idea?), what is the minimum in direct position?Over weak 1NT (12-14) I play it as 14+, over 10-12 I would think the minimum is 12..? Penalty double of any strength weak notrump should show at least a strong notrump, 15+ (can often stretch with 14). It's true they can steal a game if your strength is very evenly divided, but get much weaker than that and you simply get your side into trouble too often. This is pretty much expert standard I believe. It's very old fashioned and not good to have double of notrump show "their range or better" or something like that.I think we have had this a couple of times before, but just for the record, I still disagree with this. I believe that one should double a weakNT or a miniNT rather aggressively, not just for the balanced 25hcp games. The aggressive doubles tend to do well, when partner has a mediocre hand with some playing strength. These hands, that would be frozen out otherwise, are very common and will typically produce a partscore or even a game opposite a decent fit. So 14 vs weakNT and 13 vs miniNT with the usual upgrades if my 13 or 12 looks very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 You seem to play dbl as penalty showing 16+ with a balanced hand.I don't see anything in your hand that is not already shown,so unless 2♠ is forcing, the bid is pass. our hand is not much more than minimum1NT is 10-12.If you play penalty DBL over that (probably a good idea?), what is the minimum in direct position?Over weak 1NT (12-14) I play it as 14+, over 10-12 I would think the minimum is 12..? I agree with what jdonn said, X should start with 15+ imo (or a very nice 14). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 No specific discussion about 2♠. I wouldn't be in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 No specific discussion about 2♠. I wouldn't be in this situation. This will probably sound ruder than I mean it to, but if that is the case then why did you post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Given the lack of information about the double's strength and the nature of the 2S bid, I think this is a clear invite. You have nice H spots sitting over the opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 A close call but I think that because the X doesnt necesseraly show a balanced hand i should strive to raise partner. Partner may have a 6 card S suit and 8 pts but doesnt want to bid 3S in case i have a 1444 shape or a similar hand with a stiff spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 This will probably sound ruder than I mean it to, but if that is the case then why did you post? Because it pleased me to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Vital information has been left out (I don't think it changes anything but...): Our agreement was that the x of NT showed a strong NT or better but did not establish a force and x by either side is takeout (continuations are as over 1N by us). Consequently 2S is not a zero count, its just a hand that would compete to 2S over a strong NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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