Ece and Steve please do not leave BBO

[Giasone]

io non parlo inglese ma devo esperimere tutto il mio disappunto se anche ecepal decide di andarsene.

io prima di tutti qua sopra ho conosciuto Booze un gran signore che sempre mi ha aiutato in tanti momenti e lui adesso non vuole essere giallo poi apprendo che ecepal altra persona dame molto stimata se ne vuole andare.

dov'è finito il be nice?

dobbiamo stare nelle mani di persone provenienti dalla federazione di un qualunque paese oppure possiamo continuare ad essere quello che eravamo con ecepal Booze e tanti altri?

senza dover assistere ogni giorno a persone che fuggono da un sito dove il motto è be nice.

io sono su BBO sin da quando eravamo 4 tavoli a giocare e 40 persone in lobby ho fatto molta pubblicità a questo sito perchè aveva quel senso di libertà che siti simili dai quali provenivo non avevano

in cosa ci stiamo traformando?

stiamo diventando una succursale di una qualche federazione?

mi auguro di no e a chi arrivato per ultimo ed imposto con la forza del ci serviva dico solo una cosa

io sono un uomo liobero e come tale parlo e agisco e mal vedo chi mi vuole zittire in virtù di un semplice i panni sporchi laviamoli in famiglia.

NO GRAZIE NO GRAZIE NO GRAZIE.

dico tre volte no a chi mi ha inserito in qualche club elitario a mia insaputa vedi BBO_TDS dal quale adesso mi dissocio fermamente io prima di tutto sono un membro di BBO poi socio di un club privato BBO_ITA ed in esso e vincenzo beky mi riconosco ringrazio comunque fred ed uday per il lavoro che svolgono e mi auguro che alla fine capiscano che non è che una persona si possa imporre agli altri perchè presume di essere bella e brava e chi non la pensa come lei peste lo colga abbiamo combatutto i fascisti ed i nazisti per far si che ognuno di noi potesse vivere libero per favore fate si che questo venga recepito da tutti sopratutto da chi ultimamente schedula cio che vuole o si ritiene in dovere di poter fare ciò che vuole

PLS ECEPAL RESTA TRA NOI QUELLI CHE TI VOGLIONO BENE.

Giasone

 

P.S : pls translete vincenzo or other because i no speack english well

[csdenmark]

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[wylicoyote]

;)

 

I am new to the BBO world and I have only barely met yall. I have play in your tourney. I have respect for anybody that take their free time to make something they love better. But, it is obvious from the wonderful letters or post...That you will be missed...

 

I have a suggestion....Take a vacation...vs..leave.

 

 

Other wise.

 

From one Bridge lover to another...I want to wish you the best of luck on whatever or wherever your future take you...

 

Keith

[spwdo]

Making your way in the world today

Takes everything you've got;

Taking a break from all your worries

Sure would help a lot.

Wouldn't you like to get away?

All those night when you've got no lights,

The check is in the mail;

And your little angel

Hung the cat up by it's tail;

And your third fiance didn't show;

 

Sometimes you want to go

Where everybody knows your name,

And they're always glad you came;

You want to be where you can see,

Our troubles are all the same;

You want to be where everybody knows your name.

 

Roll out of bed, Mr. Coffee's dead;

The morning's looking bright;

And your shrink ran off to Europe,

And didn't even write;

And your husband wants to be a girl;

 

Be glad there's one place in the world

Where everybody knows your name,

And they're always glad you came;

You want to go where people know,

People are all the same;

You want to go where everybody knows your name.

 

Where everybody knows your name,

And they're always glad you came;

Where everybody knows your name,

And they're always glad you came;

 

had some disturbing news from other friends, tds as well , so most use my words here very carefully , if anyone knows what is needed for Ece/Steve to return, why not give this small offer and see this as donating to bbo communinty. WE all know the above lyrics and for some time bbo was like that, dont let it slip in to something nobody wants , bbo must stand for relaxation, enjoyement, bounding, meeting, learning, competing, laughing

 

part in bold above slighty edited by inquiry

Edited April 1, 2004 by inquiry

[luke warm]

(Large section DELETED BY INQUIRY)

 

anyway, i consider steve and ece to be friends (SNIP), and i add my voice to those who have urged them to stay with bbo... continue what you started

 

(Inquiry again: Jimmy stepped over the line, which is why I stepped in, and if post like this continues, I will be forced to step in and close and delete this thread.. You want to join in and ask Steve and Ece to come back fine, please do, but incrimindations, and discussing the "why" and trying to assess blame or anything close to that WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. And I can say this despite I can assure everyone involved no one can be more upset that Steve and Ece are gone than me. .

Edited April 1, 2004 by inquiry

[aramesh_]

hi,

 

Two obviously popular members ece and steve have decided to quit. Being a relatively junior member (and TD) of BBO i had no occasion to interact with ece. But Steve, i have talked with him only twice. First time when he volunteered to help me in my tourney and second time when i greeted him in the lobby. The way he showed me how to run a tourny without actually telling me put him up several notches in my esteem for him.

BBO is a movement where differences of opinions are bound to be there.

I wish these two well liked members rise above everything and review their decision in the larger interests of the game.

Ara

[Shibboleth]

Whatever the reason which i m not interested in ,leaving will not be a remedy,so ecepal & 2o1 please stay.........

[tritri]

I have translated in English which I have written on the Italian forum this morning:

 

This is the only forum where I can express my sorrow regarding ecepal left

BBO. Booze gave up on being yellow, and now with this news of Ecepal I don't

think that BBO is improving. I come from Booze's school and ecepal was

always close to me whenever I needed her. Nowadays in BBO I feel manipulated

from people that wants to rule and not to help, what it should have to be a

free site isn't anymore for me. I'll not go away from BBO because I love

this site and I have a great esteem of Fred, Uday, Vincenzo a lot of yellows

and a lot people more but I don't want to be manipulated by people that

don't help because they only want power. As for now I resign from TDs. I see

myself only as TD first as a BBO's one and then of BBO_ITA's one and I don't

want any pressure apart if these come from Fred, Uday, Vincenzo and other

person I esteem, like Booze and Ecepal.

 

I would really appreciate if this writing would be posted on yellow's forum,

Thanks

 

Elena di Ruzza (TriTri)

[farfie]

Steve and Ece are wonderfull friends and they love our game enough to give most of their time in managing things for all of us on bbo.It is a pity such nice people leave bbo and we should all work together to make them come back for bbo is no longer bbo without them.Fred and Uday if you can do something please try!

Steve and Ece: we love you come back please. :D :D

[uday]

The yellow forums are for internal discussions between yellows, sorry, but i'm sure any yellow who wishes to read this can do so right here.

[tasos]

Dear all,

although I have rarely had the chance to interact with Ece and Steve, our paths had crossed over my time here in BBO mainly through their involvement in the BIL lounge.

 

I as I think most of the members of our small community are really sad to hear that recent events have led to two influential members to decide to depart.

 

I respect their decision to do so. Their move has risen a sense of communal spirit within the BBO. Ece and Steve you are not alone!

We the ones that stay have a duty to fight injustice and abuse and help preserve the spirit of fair game, sportsmanship.

 

Raise your voice!

[keylime]

Tasos,

 

How about this as a primer?

 

"Preacher man don't tell me

Heaven is under the earth

I know you don't know

What life is really worth

It's not all them glitters is gold

Half the story has never been told

So now you see the light

Stand up for your rights

 

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights

Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight

 

Most people think

Great good will come from the skies

Take away everything

And make everybody feel high

But if you know what life is worth

You would look for yours on earth

And now you've seen the light

You stand up for your rights"

 

- Bob Marley

[hrothgar]

As I noted in an earlier post, I am having a highly annoying day at work and probably should not be posting. With this said and done...

 

(1) I will certainly miss Steve and Ece and would prefer that this wasn't all going on.

 

(2) While I am privy to some of the background information, for the life of me I can't understand why Topflight is discussing shutting down.

 

(Edited by inquiry.. richard you know better... :-) As an aside, I think topflight lives on with steve's blessing.. just without his direction.

 

(3) There seems to be a lot of ...

(SNIP Inquiry again: this too.. no insulting, at least you were even handed... )

 

I've long advocated private clubs as a mechanism to reduce the drain on "central" resources. Better to have private individuals worry about all of this stuff rather than forcing Fred and Uday to step in.

 

Sadly, the private clubs seem to be having the opposite effect. Some of the clubs are gathering momentum. When these organizations start to experience problems it amplifies the resulting chaos.

 

To some extent, I think that Fred and Uday may have made a mistake in stepping in.

 

Better to establish a precedent that people need to learn to work and play well together. While it may be painful to watch from the outside, its far uglier if you let yourself get drawn in...

 

Inquiry again: See my open letter in this forum on the topic richard is talking about...

Edited April 1, 2004 by inquiry

[tritri]

Just because today we raised our voice tasos, I shall that becomes more hig for to tell to this people that they must come back on BBO.

Ece and Steve we are waiting for you.

 

Elena

[inquiry]

Steve and Ece are wonderfull friends and they love our game enough to give most of their time in managing things for all of us on bbo.It is a pity such nice people leave bbo and we should all work together to make them come back for bbo is no longer bbo without them.Fred and Uday if you can do something please try!

Steve and Ece: we love you come back please. :D  :D

Welcome to the BridgeBase Forum, I am sorry it took such a situation to get you to come over to this site.

 

Farie is not alone in new people to the site now. I will say that today, we have blown past the all time record for most people on line at same time, I think this shows the interest and concern people have in this specific topic. This is clearly a hot button issue and deserves the attention it is getting.

 

I will note something else, I have been a moderator for what, a year or there abouts. And I have edited/deleted more than twice as many post in the last 24 hours than I have in the entire time I have served in this role. Most of these censorship actions I have had to take against my friends who were trying the best they could to support my very good friends. So it has not been easy on me. Add to that, I have recieved angry messages about the editing and message deletions... and how it is the worse kind of censorship. Well, tough luck. Until someone takes away my ability to edit hateful, harmful, or inflammatory post, until they stop me physically from removing post meant to humiliate people, I will continue to do so. Anyone else would like my job, write one of the big bosses and convince them that you can do better than me.

 

In the meanwhile, I will start issuing official warnings (WARN LEVELS) to anyone else posting inflammatory or harmful post here. Again, feel free to ask steve and ece to reconsider. But I am tired of having to check here every few minutes...

 

Ben

[bglover]

Thank you all so much for your kind words.

 

Honestly, the hardest part for Ece and myself was leaving all our wonderful friends. I guess we had a lot more than even we realized. The sentiments you have all expressed has touched our hearts deeply.

 

We leave BBO but that does not mean we will forget you all. Nothing in the world could ever make me forget all the nice things you all have said here and I have often been in tears. They were good tears I promise.

 

Please remember, bridge is a game of people. It's not software. It's not clubs. It's what you make of it for yourself as a person and as a friend to others. I know I tried very hard to be a good friend to many here. I answered many questions from complete strangers who people sent my way. I helped direct. I worked with many students (my true passion in bridge). I worked hard to make BBO a better place.

 

I don't know. I tried to just do "good" here. I think many people recognized it because they supported TopFlight so well and so many of you joined us to watch or play; it was truly heartwarming. We grew from struggling to have team matches to having 9 table events while keeping our standards the absolute highest we could. High quality was our only goal.

 

I am very happy to share with you all that, despite Ece's and mine leaving, TopFlight will continue under the stewardship of my great friend Famus. Please continue to support our dream. You were all a big part of it. If you care to continue to show your support to Ece and me, the very best way is to keep our shared dream alive.

 

I will miss so many of you. I spent so many hours saying goodbyes and splashed so many tears. But, please believe me, this was the right thing for us to do. We wish things had worked out better but ultimately it came down to principles. Principles is what made TopFlight succeed and, sadly, what made us leave.

 

I stated once in a different thread, principles are a hard thing to live with, but I am glad I have mine. I still feel that way. So, understand this decision was fully considered and not made in haste. It was the right one for us.

 

We wish our many friends good luck. Maybe we will meet again soon. If not on BBO, somewhere else. Because bridge isn't about software. It's about your friends. It's about people. And there are lots of good people here and we thank you all.

 

Steve

[badderzboy]

I hope that Ece & Steve do not leave not for poliitcal reasons / for a clash of personalities or even for a matter of honour. I don't know the reasons or issues but

as we have a common love/addiction for this great game so please accept we won't all get on.

 

The passions around this topic show how much everyone cares about all the players in BBO and how hurt we are two 'senior' players are leaving.

 

The only "winners" are whomever caused the uproar and the losers are those of us not involved both for the clear help ECE & Steve have given others but also for the potential loss of other senior players who may feel that they would leave or play elsewhere as well.

 

This would be tragic as BBO is the best place to play this challenging game online by a country mile and also a great place to learn to play by both watching the masters at work or by being taught and mentored here.

 

BBO has grown by leaps and bounds and deserves to continue to do so and is a credit to Fred, Uday et al.

 

I hope ECE & Steve reconsider even if they change their names and use an alias! so at least friends and colleagues can continue to help the rest of us.

 

Steve

[EricN]

Just back home from travelling, and having been told of Ece's and Steve's decision to leave BBO, I stumbled upon this forum.

Of course, this was the logical thread to start with.

 

Without claiming any knowledge of the circumstances and the background - I take it I'll find all that later on, in previous threads - I think some facts are obvious.

It may be true that no one is expendable, but for lots of BBO members - and possibly, for BBO management as well - both Ece and Steve must come pretty close. When people like these decide to leave it's time to have a very good look at what made them take this decision, if only to prevent this happening again with other BBO 'heavies' :rolleyes:

 

I'd gladly add my support to a 'Make Ece And Steve Stay' campaign, but I'm afraid it won't do much good.

No doubt their decision to leave was not taken on the spur of the moment, and it will take a real change in circumstances to make them change their minds. If I can be of any help in accomplishing that, just let me know.

 

Regards,

EricN

[luke warm]

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anyway, i consider steve and ece to be friends (SNIP), and i add my voice to those who have urged them to stay with bbo... continue what you started

 

(Inquiry again: Jimmy stepped over the line, which is why I stepped in, and if post like this continues, I will be forced to step in and close and delete this thread.. You want to join in and ask Steve and Ece to come back fine, please do, but incrimindations, and discussing the "why" and trying to assess blame or anything close to that WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. And I can say this despite I can assure everyone involved no one can be more upset that Steve and Ece are gone than me. .

if you say so, ben... but i know without a doubt that i did not offer incriminations or discuss why... i *especially* take issue with any hint that i assessed blame... first of all, i have absolutely no idea *who* to blame, and secondly it isn't in my nature to blame anyone (in public) anyway

 

the only thing i can see that even comes close to me stepping "over the line" was naming those who i consider to be friends, and i purposely added steve's and ece's name

 

i don't want anyone thinking that my post assigned blame, incriminated anyone, or discussed the reasons for this fight... all of those things go against my nature... i do not hurt anyone's feelings if i can possibly help it

[inquiry]

if you say so, ben... but i know without a doubt that i did not offer incriminations or discuss why... i *especially* take issue with any hint that i assessed blame... first of all, i have absolutely no idea *who* to blame, and secondly it isn't in my nature to blame anyone (in public) anyway

 

the only thing i can see that even comes close to me stepping "over the line" was naming those who i consider to be friends, and i purposely added steve's and ece's name

 

i don't want anyone thinking that my post assigned blame, incriminated anyone, or discussed the reasons for this fight... all of those things go against my nature... i do not hurt anyone's feelings if i can possibly help it

Hi,

 

No you didn't insult anyone, you didn't humilate anyone, but you made the "sin" of mentioning all the parties involved. I can't allow even that information here.

 

Ben

[remin]

I usually don't participate in any forums. However, I feel compelled this time to add my voice. I am a strong believer that one should follow its own principles, despite if others think its the wrong thing to do.

 

That being said;

 

Is it possible that Steve and Ece (both of them addmiting they have left BBO of their own accord) are right in their principles and everybody else is wrong?

 

Apparently their decision to leave is irrevocable, which I find hard to accept.

 

In my opinion nothing is irrevocable, expect death and taxes, and I strongly urge both of them to reconsider.

 

I am sure both had their reasons to make such drastic decision. But whatever those reasons were, there are umteen reasons to reconsider.

 

Remi

[pclayton]

I'll add my 2 cents.

 

I've known Steve on here since BBO had LESS than 10 tables. We have been good friends and together have been through career changes, health changes and life changes over the past 3 or 4 years.

 

Steve has a heart of gold and will be missed. You always knew were you stood with him, and I always believed that he had the best interests of the site at heart. I have been on the front lines of his struggle and I am very bitter over the causes of his departure. It simply isn't right. Ben would snip it anyway, but most of those who read this know the reasons why he left, so I won't get into it. I'm just so angry!

 

I hope Steve comes back, even if its under a new alias to reestablish a new identity; although I'd recognize his style in a nano-second. :rolleyes:

 

Phil Clayton

 

Pclayton

[HedyG]

hi all.

i am not a forum writer,but feel the need to publically express my anger and disappointment at BBO letting people like Ece and Steve leave.

if you let the best you have go what are you left with?

 

Ece dear and Steve,please reconsider! your friends miss you and BBO is definitely not the same without you.

 

so many love and appreciate you here and what you have done!

[pclayton]

ECE:

 

I was never angry at you or Steve. I'm angry at the reasons why you are leaving, which are caused by other individuals.

 

Phil

[dogsbreath]

Hi,

Steve,Ece .. I been away most of last 2 weeks so have no knowledge of issues involved. But it will be a loss to BBO community .. please reconsider

Regards, Dog