awm Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Here's a pair of hands from the LV nationals. Partner and I bid these to 6♣ pretty easily with our relay methods, but it seems a bit harder with relays based on controls instead of 3-2-1 points... [hv=d=n&v=b&n=saxxhkxdajtcakxxx&s=skqxhqxxxdxcjxxxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 2N 3C 3D 3N :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Here is our precision auction: 1♣-2♣ (5 clubs, GF, 8+ points)2♦* (Asking)-3♣ (Shortness)3♦* (Where)-3NT* (Diamonds)4♥* (Puppet Term, RKC for clubs)-4NT (0 or 3 KC) OK, he could have QC, and does not have AH. Probably no points in diamonds. KQ SpadesQJ Clubs. K SpadesQJ HeartsQ Clubs KQ Spades I bid 6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 And with Ultra Club: 1♣ (16+) - 1♠ (4+♥ & 8+ hcp) -1NT (Relay) - 2♣ (Minor Canape) -2♦ (Relay) - 2♥ (5+♣) -2♠ (Relay) - 2NT (♦ shortage) -3♣ (Beta) - 3♦ (1-2 Controls)6♣ (must have at least 1 K (♠) & 2Qs & J minimum, protected) At worst 50%. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Playing Gnome (or Echo or Tarzan) Club and bidding it with Jason (I made him relayer): 1♣ (16+) - 1♦; (not 9+hcp, 2+ctls)1♥ (19+) - 1N; (semi-pos, 4+♥, 1+ctls)2♣ (relay) - 2♥; (4+♥, 4+♣)2♠ (relay) - 2N; (4♥, 5+♣)3♣ (relay) - 3♠; (3=4=1=5)4♣ (ctl ask) - 4♦; (1 ctl)4♥ (relay) - 4♠; (no ♣A/K/Q or ♣AKQ)4N (relay) - 5♥; (♥A/K/Q, ♠A/K/Q, no 2nd ♥A/K/Q)6♣ Since a singleton DK doesn't count as a control (for the semi-positive), it's clear we must have SK or HA, thus making the strong relay (4C) odds on. After no club honor is shown (Qs would be shown immediately given 1 control), slam looks a favorite. However, 4N has the safety of checking on the HQ first and playing in 5C opposite KQx xxxx x xxxxx (plus 1-3 Jacks to make up the 6 hcp), although that slam may come in anyway if the Heart is onside, however it's not odds on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 seems like you still might have problems, couldnt partner have xxx Axxx x Qxxxx for instance when he shows four 3-2-1 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 seems like you still might have problems, couldnt partner have xxx Axxx x Qxxxx for instance when he shows four 3-2-1 points Agree. Opposite that hand we'd hear 4♥ (2 ctls) and would probably bail out in 4NT. Partner can't have Kxx Axxx x xxxxx (3 ctls), so we'd know the best he could have is QJx Axxx x xxxxx which is odds against. I'm actually starting to like the control ask after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 2N 3C 3D 3N :( Push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 We have two auctions that might happen: 1♣*-1♦* ; 16+ - <7 pts or <2 ctls1♥*-1♠* ; kokish - forced1NT*-2NT* ; 19-21 - tx to clubs3♣-3♥* ; forced - 5+♣ and 4♥ and gf4♣-4♦* ; agree clubs - 14304♥*-5♣ ; 4 kc - signoff5♥-6♣ ; no signoff - done or: 1♣*-1♦* ; 16+ - <7 pts or <2 ctls1♥*-1♠* ; kokish - forced1NT*-3♣* ; 19-21 - gf splinter in diamonds w no 5 crd major3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted July 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I should note that some of the sequences given have not ruled out hands like: ♠Kxx ♥Qxxx ♦x ♣Jxxxx as a semi-positive with one control and no top club. ♠Kxx ♥Qxxx ♦x ♣QJxxx as a game forcing hand with one control. In any case, our opponents pushed Jlall's auction. Partner and I bid: 1♣(1) - 2♦(2)2♥(3) - 3♦(4)3♥(5) - 3NT(6)4♣(7) - 4♦(8)4♥(9) - 4NT(10)6♣ (1) Strong(2) 5+ hcp, 2-6 AKQ points with 4+♥/5+♣(3) GF relay(4) 3-4-1-5(5) Relay for AKQ points(6) Four AKQ points(7) Where?(8) No club queen(9) Relay(10) ♥Q + ♠KQ (or ♥A + ♦Q) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 2N 3C 3D 3N :( Push. We three are up to a full point at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Moscito relay auction 1♣(1)-1♥(2)1♠(3)-2♣(4)2♦(3)-2♥(5)2♠(3)-3♦(6)3♥(7)-3NT(8)4♣(9)-4♦(10)4♥(9)-5♣(11)6♣(12) (1) 16+(2) Semipositive, 3-5 AKQ points, denies 5 card major unless balanced(3) Relays(4) 5+♣, 4 card major or threesuited with clubs(5) 5+♣ 4 hearts(6) 3415(7) AKQ point ask(8) 4 AKQ points(9) denial cuebid asks(10) no A/K/Q honor in clubs(11) an A/K/Q honor in hearts, an A/K/Q honor in spades, no 2nd A/K/Q honor in hearts(12) Places responder with KQx Qxxx x xxxxx OR Qxx Axxx x xxxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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