X after a preempt

[benlessard]

W vs Red imps

 

3D*-----(X)------pass-------(5C)

X

 

3D show a good preempt.

 

What does the double mean ?

[blackshoe]

That you don't want partner to sac in 5♦. B)

[rogerclee]

Penalty is probably the best meaning for this near-impossible bid.

[gwnn]

I've heard of this "incredible double" convention thingie which I think is not entirely good. It means "look pard my preempt is entirely sound, I only have a nice (6)7 card diamond suit. I have no defense". So now allegedly pard can pass with defense and sac without. It is something this dude showed me, who preempts on all sorts of junk and classical hands also. He didn't convince me but you asked for a possible meaning so there.

[Guest Jlall]

X= I want to save. If you decided to open 3D with like 5S and 7D planning to bid spades next to show that hand type they have preempted that now but you can double to show it without bidding in front of partner. I would go so far as to say this is expert standard.

[whereagles]

I use to play doubles by a 4M opener as "I got extras". A 3m opener is another story, though.

[kfay]

X= I want to save. If you decided to open 3D with like 5S and 7D planning to bid spades next to show that hand type they have preempted that now but you can double to show it without bidding in front of partner. I would go so far as to say this is expert standard.

I play something like this with my regular partner. Though I can see why it would apply here I don't think we've discussed it. The situation we HAVE discussed it is when partner raises my preempt and pushes them into game. Then the preemptor doubles to day 'I want to sac, did you push them into game because you can set them?'

 

I'm not totally convinced it should apply here since my partner might have squadoosh and now we're screwed either way. Actually probably at IMPs, but certainly not at MPs.

[bid_em_up]

W vs Red imps

 

3D*-----(X)------pass-------(5C)

X

 

3D show a good preempt.

 

What does the double mean ?

I'm an idiot?

[gnasher]

The only time I've ever done something like this, I had a balanced 18-count.

[rbforster]

The only time I've ever done something like this, I had a balanced 18-count.

and the opponents were never expecting this after your 3♦ opening! But now with the X, you got 'em.

[benlessard]

I forgot an important fact. We were playing namyats. So 4D as a D preempt isnt available.

 

Imo penalty doesnt make any sense here.

Expert standard for is to say i want to save but X just in case you want to defend . (at least after a game preempt)

 

Here its possible to have a borderline preempt between 5D and 3D. Wich you decided to open 3D to keep 3Nt in the picture.

 

 

Kxx

xx

KQJTxxxx

void.

 

As a general rule preempting "twice" is a bad strategy but exceptions do happen.