Viking Club Problem

[zasanya]

While going through the book Viking Precision Club (by Glen Grotheim and Alan Sontag Edited by Barry Rigal) I came across the following bidding sequence.

1♦=11-15 ♦ can be singleton.

Responder relays with 1♥;either natural or GF relay trigger.

Openers rebid of 2♣ shows at leasr 9 cards in minor; 5+/4+ either way.

And now responder's 2♦ is GF relay.

The question is suppose responders hand is 3-4-4-2 or 4-4-3-2 with 8-9 hcp: she would like to sign off in 2♦ but she cant as 2 ♦ is GF relay.So what does she do?

Would appreciate some help.

[hrothgar]

For what its worth, a somehwat similar issue crops up playing MOSCITO

 

In MOSCITO, a 1♠ opening shows an unbalanced hand with 4+ Diamonds. The 1♠ opening typically denies a 4 card major unless you hold 6+ Diamonds and a miserable 4 card major.

 

Consider the following auction

 

1♠ - 1N

2♣

 

1♠ = Diamonds

1N = relay

2♣ = two suited with bith minors (could be x=x=4=5 or x=x=5=4)

 

At this point in time, 2♦ = GF relay

 

Earlier versions had

 

2♦ = natural and non-forcing

2♥ = GF relay

 

However, this was deprecated.

 

As it now stands, there is (essentially) no way to play in 2♦ after a 1♠ opening. (1♠ - 2♦ = transfer to clubs).

 

If you have a weak hand with 3-3 in the minors, bid 1NT and pass partner's response.

 

If you have a slightly stronger hand, bid 2♠ (conventional, showing invitational values with 3+ in each minor)

 

If you have 4+ Diamonds, force to the three level immediately or hold your peace.

 

Paul believes that bidding 2♦ is essentially a transfer to 2M by the opponents. Its better to risk the three level immediately and placing maximum pressure on the opps.

[csdenmark]

The question is suppose responders hand is 3-4-4-2 or 4-4-3-2 with 8-9 hcp: she would like to sign off in 2♦ but she cant as 2 ♦ is GF relay.So what does she do?

Skip the relay - you are safe bidding 2NT. You will end up in 3NT if opener has MAXIMUM else he passes 2NT.

[rbforster]

While going through the book Viking Precision Club (by Glen Grotheim and Alan Sontag Edited by Barry Rigal) I came across the following bidding sequence.

1♦=11-15 ♦ can be singleton.

Responder relays with 1♥;either natural or GF relay trigger.

Openers rebid of 2♣ shows at leasr 9 cards in minor; 5+/4+ either way.

And now responder's 2♦ is GF relay.

I was looking over the Viking book a few days ago too and noticed the same thing. It doesn't look like you can play in responder's minor preference when opener has both minors. This doesn't seem great to me - I think it forces responder to pass 1♦ often with hearts and short clubs, missing a heart fit to avoid playing a silly 2♣ contract after opener's likely rebid. Suppose responder is 4441. You have to play 1♦ instead of 2♥, or risk bidding 1♥ and play in 2♣?

 

It'd be one thing if they put the 5/4+ minors hands somewhere else (1N, 2N, or something), but to have this sequence show both minors and not be able to play there seems weird.

[dbsboy]

I always like the ability to signoff.

 

the 1♦ scheme in Weird Club (which was invented when I was 13, so the system is pretty silly)

 

1♦ is 0+♦, and 1♥ response is relay...

 

here, 1S=unbalanced 4+D

1N=12-14 Bal

2C=precision 2C opening without 4+D

2D=3 Suiters with 44 Majors

2H/2S=Strong 4M with 6+C

 

and Both 1N and 2Cs are relays after 1S...2D relay after 2C, 2NT relay after 2D/2M...All are relays, but we can still signoff.