Apollo81 Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 all red imps QJxAxxKJxxxJx 1♦*-(3♣)-? *Precision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 the 3♣ option in the poll was supposed to be 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Hey there The minimum length promised by a Precision 1♦ seems tovary between 0 and four cards. It would be useful to understand which camp you fall into. (I lean stongly towards double btw. I think that this hand will play well in a 4-3 major suit fit) I intend to Pass 3NTRaise 3M to 4M(Regretfully) pass 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 assume 1♦ promises 2 which is normal for precision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 X followed by 3Nt over 3M show exactly this hand. Half a stopper and diamond fit. Jx isnt that good facing Qx or stiff K but life is hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 X followed by 3Nt over 3M show exactly this hand. Half a stopper and diamond fit. Jx isnt that good facing Qx or stiff K but life is hard. I'm not a Precision player, but personally if I had, say, xxAKxxKxxxAQx I would double 3C and bid 3NT over 3S (or 3D) to show full club stop and interest in playing in a major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 assume 1♦ promises 2 which is normal for precision Wouldn't surprise me if both 0 and 4 were more common than 2 in the UK - can't remember ever seeing a club-standard player playing it as 2+. How light do you open - take it the balanced range in 1♦ is 11-13, and that 3♦ over 3♣ would be NF? Anyway, I'm probably doubling, and the problem will come on the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichMor Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I voted for double and intend to:raise 3♦ to 4,raise 3♥/♠ to 4,pass 3NT Good luck pard :rolleyes: For a Precision pair who opens 1♦ on 2, it would be a good agreement that 3♦ by responder shows 5+ and some values and denies a 4-card major. If we had that agreement then I would bid 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 X followed by 3Nt over 3M show exactly this hand. Half a stopper and diamond fit. Jx isnt that good facing Qx or stiff K but life is hard. That's not what that sequence shows. In fact as Frances said you could have 2 or 3 stoppers for the exact same sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmax Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I'm not a Precision player, but personally if I had, say, xxAKxxKxxxAQx I would double 3C and bid 3NT over 3S (or 3D) to show full club stop and interest in playing in a major.Is partner allowed to bid 4♠? Then what would 5♦ show - slam going hand without ♣ control (something like KQxx, AKxx, AKx, xx) or example above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 X followed by 3Nt over 3M show exactly this hand. Half a stopper and diamond fit. Jx isnt that good facing Qx or stiff K but life is hard. That's close to what I'm used to. X followed by 3NT shows a balanced hand with enough points for game but without club stops. I don't play that 4♠ is possible over 3NT, but with a 3-suiter partner can bid 4♣ over 3NT, or with a two-suiter he can bid 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 If 1♦ promises 0, perhaps 3♦ should be forcing anyway (perhaps even if it's 2+). However, since it isnt, then I'm forced to X, raising 3M to 4M and passing 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 X. Raise 3M to 4M and pass 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 all red imps QJxAxxKJxxxJx 1♦*-(3♣)-? *Precision How can x ever be wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 all red imps QJxAxxKJxxxJx 1♦*-(3♣)-? *Precision How can x ever be wrong? Well, if partner has a 3343 hand without a club stop and decides to show his cheaper (or better) 3 card major and you raise to 4 on your 3 card suit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 I'm not a Precision player, but personally if I had, say, xxAKxxKxxxAQx Well if partner bid 3H. 3Nt can show half a stopper since you can bid 3S with 4S Gf or better i think is to play that 3S show half a stopper and that 3Nt show a stopper (so that you dont wrongside when you have Kx). If he bid 3S. You can choose that 3Nt show 1-2 stoppers or that it show 0.5 to 1 stopper. I believe that if you have 2 stoppers you should bid 3Nt even if you have 4card majors. I kind of prefer that 3Nt show half or 1 stopper. 1- because if partner doesnt half half a stopper and cannot pass my X then maybe 5m will be better then 3Nt with only 1 stopper. 2- Because with 1 stopper and 4M bidding 3Nt is still available 3- because hand with half a stopper vs half a stopper might make 3Nt but rarely make 5m. Anyway on this hand its a clear double. Edited PS 1D---(3H)----X------(Pass)3S---(P)------3Nt obvioulsy show half a stopper and not 4S with a stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Well, the responses to this have convinced me at least that it is not an obvious decision, and that I should have posted it in a Standard bidding context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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