gwnn Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=saqjxhadjtxxxcatx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] 1♦-1♠-X-p? 1♦ showed (4)5, promising an unbalanced hand and 11-17. partner is promising some values over there. he may have a good one suited hand (NFB). would you do something else under different circumstances? opps are juniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Can he have a GF hand with 5+ hearts? Or do those bid 2!H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 he can have a good one suited hand with any of the unbid suits. negative freebids had been agreed. (this wasnt us, but we got into a bit of a debate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Passing 1S is dangerous but bidding 2Nt also. Im passing here. Ive assumed that without game aspiration and 3D+4H partner would raise me to 2D instead of making a neg double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Pass. Even more attractive under the stated conditions - partner cannot have a weak hand with a long suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 While playing NFBs, I have the rule that we play strong jumps. So my pd luckily cannot have xx,KQJTxxx,A,KQx.But I guess this is not part of their system, so this is a hand which he may have. But I would still pass. I have an easy lead and we may not be happy in any game our side either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=saqjxhadjtxxxcatx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] 1♦-1♠-X-p? 1♦ showed (4)5, promising an unbalanced hand and 11-17. partner is promising some values over there. he may have a good one suited hand (NFB). would you do something else under different circumstances? opps are juniors. Wish I opened offshape 1nt :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Agree with pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I have an easy lead and we may not be happy in any game our side either. Make sure you lead face down, so your partner can remind you it's not your turn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I would just pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Pass, and then lead the third-best diamond. This is, of course, a lead out of turn. However: Partner was going to lead a stupid diamond anyway. If the opponents require a diamond lead, maybe partner can lead one the works opposite my announced weakness. Or, maybe the opponents elect to not make partner lead "my suit." If they accept my lead, great! If they make this a penalty card, who cares? If they bar a diamond lead, this is the best of all worlds. I'M JOKING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 they're Vul and we're not? I pass, even though I suspect that the opening lead might be unfortunate. Hope P doesn't lead something like the D-K from Kx. If we have a game, then I expect at least +500, a nice score to get. What's the minimum that P can have for the neg X? Hope P doesn't neg X on junk: I need P to have at least 1 entry. Another reason I pass is that I have no other bid that begins to accurately describe my hand,....2NT?....The least lie?...I think we should be able to beat this contract for a minimum of +200. DHL BTW: I agree with Ken's recommendation of the lead out of turn, but lead the jack it playing coded 9s & 10s. Just a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 I find pass such a poor call that it is amusing. I would bid 1NT here, an underbid, but if partner bids again I am very well placed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Experienced players have always discovered over time that pass works really well here. There is no other call to seriously consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 I pass as well... at imps, this might be more of a problem since we could be missing a slam, but even if we are we may get 800 and not lose a lot at this heat. As it is, 200 beckons when we can't make game and 500 when we can. We rate to lose a trick on the opening lead, but I think we can survive :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 I thought pass was obvious and had lots of sympathy to my opp. They got 200 but they had 920 available when doubler had 5-5 in the reds. Obviously to describe double as bad would be an understatement. I was arguing with my teammates, they thought penalty passing was very stupid and I was insane for agreeing with the Polish lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Csaba: my condolences and support to the person who passed 1SXX. Partner should never have had the type of hand you just described. If the re-doubler had 5-5 in the red suits, why the H--- is he making a redouble? Just to show 10+ points? Obsolete, and a bad idea, imo. When you have a 2-suiter, especially with a good hand. don't waste time making a redouble. Start bidding your suits. I don't believe that this is a non-standard idea. And, if you happen to be playing fit bids, how nice. When one redbl's, whether or not one plays that it denies a fit, a redouble tends to show a more balanced hand in order to permit partner to co-operate in the doubling of the opponents process. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Csaba: my condolences and support to the person who passed 1SXX. Partner should never have had the type of hand you just described. If the re-doubler had 5-5 in the red suits, why the H--- is he making a redouble? Just to show 10+ points? Obsolete, and a bad idea, imo. When you have a 2-suiter, especially with a good hand. don't waste time making a redouble. Start bidding your suits. I don't believe that this is a non-standard idea. And, if you happen to be playing fit bids, how nice. When one redbl's, whether or not one plays that it denies a fit, a redouble tends to show a more balanced hand in order to permit partner to co-operate in the doubling of the opponents process. DHL He didnt redouble-it was a takeout double of the 1♠ overcall. He's forced to X, as they play negative free bids, and bidding 2♥ is a weak hand with long hearts. With 5-5 in the reds and a good hand, partner is forced to double with the given methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 I thought pass was obvious and had lots of sympathy to my opp. They got 200 but they had 920 available when doubler had 5-5 in the reds. Obviously to describe double as bad would be an understatement. I was arguing with my teammates, they thought penalty passing was very stupid and I was insane for agreeing with the Polish lad. Well, as I said, I agree totally with your teammates. Would you really have been totally SHOCKED to write down -160? This is particulalrly true playing the methods you describe. I think I am a little "more experienced" than at least one amusing poster who made a trite and supercilious comment. However I guess that particular poster is not "experienced enough" to understand NFBs? Pass really is not a good call.(DHL, Double!, clearly does not understand the methods used either.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 I thought pass was obvious and had lots of sympathy to my opp. They got 200 but they had 920 available when doubler had 5-5 in the reds. Obviously to describe double as bad would be an understatement. I was arguing with my teammates, they thought penalty passing was very stupid and I was insane for agreeing with the Polish lad. Well, as I said, I agree totally with your teammates. Would you really have been totally SHOCKED to write down -160? This is particulalrly true playing the methods you describe. I think I am a little "more experienced" than at least one amusing poster who made a trite and supercilious comment. However I guess that particular poster is not "experienced enough" to understand NFBs? Pass really is not a good call.(DHL, Double!, clearly does not understand the methods used either.)This link talks about level of experience, and may be helpful. It is not important how well you think you play, since most bridge players are unable to assess their own skills with any accuracy. What matters is your level of experience and the degree of success that you have had in live, competitive clubs and tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 I thought pass was obvious and had lots of sympathy to my opp. They got 200 but they had 920 available when doubler had 5-5 in the reds. Obviously to describe double as bad would be an understatement. I was arguing with my teammates, they thought penalty passing was very stupid and I was insane for agreeing with the Polish lad. Well, as I said, I agree totally with your teammates. Would you really have been totally SHOCKED to write down -160? This is particulalrly true playing the methods you describe. I think I am a little "more experienced" than at least one amusing poster who made a trite and supercilious comment. However I guess that particular poster is not "experienced enough" to understand NFBs? Pass really is not a good call.(DHL, Double!, clearly does not understand the methods used either.)This link talks about level of experience, and may be helpful. It is not important how well you think you play, since most bridge players are unable to assess their own skills with any accuracy. What matters is your level of experience and the degree of success that you have had in live, competitive clubs and tournaments. And anyonymous numeric one, your point is....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 HOG: I think that what I wrote clearly suggests to a sensible person that I might have misread the bidding. I clearly missed the fact that the partnership was play nfb (which we used to play back in the 70s). I acknowledge and apologize for posting when I had totally misunderstood the bidding (as is evident by the reference to partner having redoubled). Bad eyes. So, I made a mistake, something no one else on this forum has ever done. LIVE WITH IT! If you were referring to me or anything I wrote as being "trite" or "supercilious": Thank you for the compliment. I appreciate it. My wife would definitely agree with the supercilious part. :) ;) DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 HOG: I think that what I wrote clearly suggests to a sensible person that I might have misread the bidding. I clearly missed the fact that the partnership was play nfb (which we used to play back in the 70s). I acknowledge and apologize for posting when I had totally misunderstood the bidding (as is evident by the reference to partner having redoubled). Bad eyes. So, I made a mistake, something no one else on this forum has ever done. LIVE WITH IT! If you were referring to me or anything I wrote as being "trite" or "supercilious": Thank you for the compliment. I appreciate it. My wife would definitely agree with the supercilious part. :( :( DHL No, that comment did not refer to you at all. Sorry if you thought it did, but I did say "either", when referring to your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 ron are you saying that double is right on xQTxxxAKxxxJx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 ron are you saying that double is right on xQTxxxAKxxxJx ? Playing negative free bids, what else can you bid but X? Unless you have fit-showing jumps on your card... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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