han Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Practice bidding, IMPs assumed. xAKxJ9xxAJxxx 1S - 2C2H - 2NT3S - ?? Agree with the auction to date? What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 I would bid 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 This is almost card-for-card the exact problem that two friends of mine faced a while back. Responder bid 4♥ and was properly beat down by the cigarette-smoking reviewers post-mortem. Two options exist. Support spades or bid 3NT. Anything above 3NT agrees spades. With a stiff spade that is not an honors, any cue seems absurdly aggressive. Three covers is nice, but not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 So Ken, now that you have narrowed it down to 3NT or 4S, what do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Interesting question. IMO, 2NT expressed two things. First, at least a spade singleton. Second, NT tolerance. So, I could bid 3NT, expecting partner to convert if that is right. However, I have a serious COV in hearts that disturbs me, and an outside Ace looks right for the major contract. If my pips were deeper in the minors, I might try 3NT. But, J932 and AJ432, or the functional equivalent, seems to have 4♠ stand out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Agree with the auction and I will now bid 4S. Looking at my HAK it's probably more likely partner will have some decent spades, and 3NT may not go well if we also need to knock out a spade guard. Diamond 9 is calling out to me though.. Anyway, more reason to bid 4S are my AKA cards for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 4S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 4♠. Partner can't stand several round of diamonds in 4♥, and 3NT looks wrong to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 4♠. Partner can't stand several round of diamonds in 4♥, and 3NT looks wrong to me. (Willies) Is there an implicit suggestion that 4♥ would be to play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Practice bidding, IMPs assumed. xAKxJ9xxAJxxx 1S - 2C2H - 2NT3S - ?? Agree with the auction to date? What now? 1) If we open ten/eleven counts with a 6 card suit, say AQ9xxx then I would try 1nt over 1s.AQ9xxx...Txxx....Axx...void orAQ9xxx.....Jxxx....Axx... void orother types.... 2) given OP I bid 4s now but I thought it was a tough hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Practice bidding, IMPs assumed. xAKxJ9xxAJxxx 1S - 2C2H - 2NT3S - ?? Agree with the auction to date? What now? Disagree with the auction. Why would I bid a non-forcing 2NT with 13 hcp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 4♠. Partner can't stand several round of diamonds in 4♥, and 3NT looks wrong to me. (Willies) Is there an implicit suggestion that 4♥ would be to play? Yes, I consider 4♥ to be passable here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Disagree with the auction. Why would I bid a non-forcing 2NT with 13 hcp. Han didn't state it, but I'm sure 2♣ as GF was implied. I agree with the auction to date and would bid 4♠ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Practice bidding, IMPs assumed. xAKxJ9xxAJxxx 1S - 2C2H - 2NT3S - ?? Agree with the auction to date? What now? Disagree with the auction. Why would I bid a non-forcing 2NT with 13 hcp. This is the A/E forum, only beginners play 2N as non-forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 4♠. Partner can't stand several round of diamonds in 4♥, and 3NT looks wrong to me. (Willies) Is there an implicit suggestion that 4♥ would be to play? Yes, I consider 4♥ to be passable here. I was going to say the same thing but I really didn't want to start a discussion with Ken about it and that seemed inevitable. Now you have let the cat out of the bag though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I think 4♥ should be a cue bid agreeing spades. The given hand is the only type of hand where we might consider a natural 4♥, but everyone here is bidding either 3NT or 4♠. Apparently we don't need a natural 4♥ bid anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I think 4♥ should be a cue bid agreeing spades. The given hand is the only type of hand where we might consider a natural 4♥, but everyone here is bidding either 3NT or 4♠. Apparently we don't need a natural 4♥ bid anyway. ding ding ding ding ding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Practice bidding, IMPs assumed. x_AKx_J9xx_AJxxx 1S - 2C;2H - 2N;3S - ?? Agree with the auction to date? What now? I do not like the auction thus far. Call me a shape purist, but if I have a GF shapely hand, IMHO I should bid it that way. 1S-2C;2H-3D; implies 45 in the minors and warns Opener that I could very well have singleton in one of his suits. The given sequence 1= implies more tolerance for both NT and ♠'s than I have.2= rushes to make me Declarer in NT when it is far from clear I should be if that is our best strain. If the auction then progresses 1S-2C;2H-3D;3S-?? Opener is implying that they do not like NT (and of course that they do not have 5 ♥'s). So you grit your teeth and pick your poison between your two most likely games, 3N or 4H in your Moysian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Somewhat surprised that everybody bids 4♠ - I may bid 4♠ as well but I consider it close. Does partner promise six good spades? Wouldn't AJxxxx be enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Somewhat surprised that everybody bids 4♠ - I may bid 4♠ as well but I consider it close. Does partner promise six good spades? Wouldn't AJxxxx be enough? Partner doesn't promise good spades, but 10+ of his 13 cards are in the majors, and his strength isn't in hearts. Also if partner doesn't have good spades, 3NT is fairly likely to go down anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Roger had this hand and bid 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 This is the A/E forum, only beginners play 2N as non-forcing. It is hard to be an Acol- (or SAYC-) player at this forum :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Practice bidding, IMPs assumed. xAKxJ9xxAJxxx 1S - 2C2H - 2NT3S - ?? Agree with the auction to date? What now? Disagree with the auction. Why would I bid a non-forcing 2NT with 13 hcp. This is the A/E forum, only beginners play 2N as non-forcing. I had better stop posting here then. Unless I'm playing 2/1, then 2NT = natural, invitational. What is the problem with all these natural bids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'm sure cherdano was joking, but of course it was clear to Cascade from the context that we were playing 2/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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