kfay Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sqhakxdak10xxc10xxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1NT-3♠3NT-? 3♠ shows 1=3(54).[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I think this is worth a slam invite. I think I would just give it yee old 4NT. 4♦ is a possibility if partner will understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I would go 4D which shows our shape and slam interest. We might just have slam on power as partner could just have a 17 count or w/e. 3N doesn't necessarily show slam unsuitable, just spades well stopped. This makes me think my SQ wil be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 4♦ = let partner know what is what, and we still have slam interest. I would give up if partner bids 4NT over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 4♦, partner will let us knwo if we are on a real missfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I'm confused. It looks like you bid 3♠ for the sole purpose of finding out if your spade Queen was acarrying its weight. A great bid, IMO. With a lesser hand, you would presumably have taken a less interesting route; with a greater hand you presumably would have taken a more interesting route. However, with this exact hand, you took the perfect route of the 3♠ call. Now, partner announces that your spade Queen is carrying full weight. WTP? Bid 4♦ like you planned. Perfect auction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sqhakxdak10xxc10xxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1NT-3♠3NT-?3♠ shows 1=3(54).[/hv] IMO 4♦ (if forcing)=10, 4N=9, _P=5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Anything but 4♦ is wrong imo. What else can it show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 4♦, certainly if 3♠ showed exactly 13(54). I guess if you could have other shapes, including longer diamonds, there is a case for 4NT instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I would go 4D which shows our shape and slam interest. We might just have slam on power as partner could just have a 17 count or w/e. 3N doesn't necessarily show slam unsuitable, just spades well stopped. This makes me think my SQ wil be useful. Agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 We might just have slam on power as partner could just have a 17 count or w/e. 3N doesn't necessarily show slam unsuitable, just spades well stopped. This makes me think my SQ wil be useful. I disagree. For me 3S is more a slammish bid then a COG bid. 13(45) hand that are not strong enough to hope to make 5m often should just bid 3Nt . If you hope to make 5m often then you have at least some slight slam interest. So if partner is not minimum and has no S wastage he should never bid 3Nt. That hand is tricky since the K of S might be useful to discard the 3rd heart. But still i prefer to pass 3Nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Easy 4D. I have a pretty hot hand so I will now show my shape and interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I wouldn't have bid 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I wouldn't have bid 3♠. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I wouldn't have bid 3♠. Why? I can hazard a guess. The 3♠ call, more so than the 3♥ corollary, jams the auction for our side. Whereas a 3♥ call allows a 3♠ bid to set spades as trumps and start nice cuebidding unwind auctions, or a bleck 4♠, a 3♠ call leaves no real good solution for agreeing hearts. Thus, 3♠ is usually (best?) handled with a tighter range. With something outside of that normal range, you might opt Puppet Stayman (often part of a scheme that has this 3♠ meaning) or MSS. With a weakish hand, for example, you might bid Puppet and then accept 3NT unless partner shows no four OR five-card major. This hand is strange, in that the spade Queen messes up the analysis, and the range may be wrong for the established expectation of the 3♠ call. For me, personally, I like 3♠ because the range is right for when partner declines 3NT (where the spade Queen loses value) and because opting 3NT kicks me into a different range appropriate for not passing 3NT. In other words, if partner bids, say, 4♣, then my 14-count with a stiff spade looks right. If, however, parter bids 3NT, my 16-count with a stiff spade looks right for the over-ride bid. But, that same analysis might not work with a different-range 3♠ expectancy. Of course, I may be way off as to the reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 For me, personally, I like 3♠ because the range is right for when partner declines 3NT (where the spade Queen loses value) and because opting 3NT kicks me into a different range appropriate for not passing 3NT. I think exactly the opposite. Lets say the bidding goes 1Nt----3S4D is 4D forcing ? or its show a minimum hand with no S stopper ? For me 3S is absolute Gf. So 4m is the stongest bid available. & 3Nt showing a stopper is the least encouraging and weakest bid. Give partner any hand with xxx in S and there is a slamwh. The only hande where slam is unlikely is when partner has AJxx, AKxx, KJxx etc in S. On aside note do you play that 1Nt----(P)------3S------(x) asking for a H lead ? 1Nt----(P)------3S------(P)3Nt----(P)------P-------(x) asking for a m lead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 On aside note do you play that 1Nt----(P)------3S------(x) asking for a H lead ? With 3NT still a possible contract, I think double should ask for a spade lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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