han Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 AxxxxAQxxAKxx Red against white, Dutch opponents, IMPs. (3H) - p - (p) - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I'm torn between passing and 3NT gamble. RHO would often raise with Hx, so partner has reasonable chance of having a heart stopper. I'd probably pass at the table, especially at this vul-you can easily go many off. X may be right if partner bids 4m, but the chances of that arent worth the risk IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 X with no conviction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I suppose experts will pass this hand, but I'm not an expert, so this is an easy double and pass 3♠ and raise 4m to 5 hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 3nt but this may be very wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 3NTIt's ok to look silly once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 3NT. Bidding 3NT on this sort of hand feels more dangerous than doing it on a hand with a running suit - i.e. with this hand there are 2 hurdles to get past. Firstly, partner must be able to stop their suit, and secondly, we need to find 9 tricks. Nevertheless, it doesn't feel right to pass and settle for a 50 or two, when there may be a vulnerable game. At least at this vulnerability, the 3♥ bid does not promise anything at all, so it would not be a surprise if partner has a stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambolino Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 i'm also torn between pass and 3nt; i've seen world class players very often passing with, like, 15 in this position so what's so spectacular about 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I like 3NT. Passing seems like I'm giving up against a favourable preempt. X would be my 2nd choice I suppose. I guess I'm just tempted by the 9 trick game and partner may still be able to provide a heart stopper as favourable preempts can be aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I take "Dutch opponents" as a hint. 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Pass. I hate 3NT. If I didn't pass, I would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I hate everything and pass, let the Dutch have the last laugh again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Where are Gnasher and Jlall when you need them to discuss the relative merits of +50, -300 and +600? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Where are Gnasher and Jlall when you need them to discuss the relative merits of +50, -300 and +600? Surely it's only -200? With a seven-card suit everyone opens four these days, don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 AxxxxAQxxAKxxRed against white, Dutch opponents, IMPs.(3H) - p - (p) - ?? IMO 3N = 10, _X = 8, _P = 6.We play that immediate actions are sound, so we feel that we have to protect on such hands. Dutch treat? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I don't think this is the right hand for the sexy 3N. I mean, even if partner has a stopper, what makes us think we are taking 9 tricks? I don't mind the stopperless 3N balance... I've made the bid a couple of times at the table and even more often in bidding fora, but I've always held a source of tricks to go with the high cards.. give me even a chunky 5 card minor and I might choose the call, but not here. And double makes me ill. So the magic word... pass... ok, so they got us. It won't be the last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I suppose it partly depends on what is implied by "Dutch opponents". If that doesn't mean suicide preempts when w/r, then I don't reckon our chances of having a heart stop any better than 50/50 - then we still have to find 9 tricks for 3N. Double, to my mind, is far too likely get partner excited about his holding of 4 spades. So I pass. The Dutch got me if that is wrong. Preempts work sometimes - one has to live with it. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Wow, this is brutal. I went from pass to X, to pass, to 3N, to pass... lol. I think pass is right even though I hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 you can't be blamed for anything. I would pass only if they were vulnerable, but given that I play very sound live overcalls it is not an option now. I would bid 3NT, hearts will often be 6331. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I'm sure I would double, and I don't feel that bad about it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 For those who want to know what would happen if.. If you pass you score +50. If you bid 3NT you score +600. If you double partner bids 4C and then it depends. If you pass you score +130, if you bid 5C you manage to get a negative score. At the other table your teammates opened only 2H and your opponents had a lebensohl accident into 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I can't imagine bidding on after Xing and partner bidding 4C, that seems insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I can't imagine bidding on after Xing and partner bidding 4C, that seems insane. You might be in a state of euphoria because partner didn't bid spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 my extra strenght make up for the 3rd spade that im missing. I double and pull 3S to 3Nt wich tend to show half a stop and minors.pass 4mpass 4S. 2nt option is pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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