shanbari Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sakj9xxhxxdqctxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPN - E - S - W1C (2N) ?? opps overcall 2n to shows diamond and heart, and N/S vul. you are holding south hand, and what to bid ?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 3♠, which is forcing. If p follows up with a bid in a black suit, I'll keycard. If P bids 3N I'll trust him and pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 3♠. This is non-forcing. A strong hand with spades would have bid 3♥ (some prefer 3♦, with 3♥ showing clubs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 3♠. This is non-forcing. A strong hand with spades would have bid 2♥ (some prefer 2♦, with 2♥ showing clubs) Whereas I agree 100% with your post here, I unfortunately cannot ever get my opponents to allow the 2♥ call and the extra space that creates for constructive bidding. So, I resign myself to the mundane 3♥ UVU bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I would call this a maximum NF 3♠ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 3♠ which is not forcing... doesn't everyone play unusual verus unusual (with possible exception of TylerE) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 3♠ which is not forcing... doesn't everyone play unusual verus unusual (with possible exception of TylerE) Well, TylerE is committing to RKCB if Opener bids any black suit, meaning a simple raise to 4♠. So, apparently this is a GF hand with very serious slam interest. Go get 'em, Tiger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I'm upgrading this to an invitiational hand with the side club fit and great spade suit. 3♥ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I'm upgrading this to an invitiational hand with the side club fit and great spade suit. 3♥ for me. You don't play 3♥ is game-forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 The Club "fit" convinces me that its right to GF I'll cue bid 3♦ or 3♥ depending on which shows a GFing hand with Spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 The Club "fit" convinces me that its right to GF I'll cue bid 3♦ or 3♥ depending on which shows a GFing hand with Spades. I agree, the club fit makes this a GF. I wonder what a direct 4♠ shows and how it differs from the cue-bid route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I'm upgrading this to an invitiational hand with the side club fit and great spade suit. 3♥ for me. You don't play 3♥ is game-forcing? No. Does anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 i guess i play un vs un different than others. because i play that 3S is non-forcing and 3D would shows LR+ in clubs and 3H would show invitational strength+ with a spade suit. Since my 8 hcp does not make this hand invitational unless partner has a fit, I'll just bid 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 You don't play 3♥ is game-forcing? No. Does anyone?I do. Or, at least, I play 3♦ as game-forcing with spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I think a 3♠ bid (if this is your weakest spade bid) is a big underbid. You can call it invitational all day long, there are weaker hands where you need to bid. If I only have the choice between a non-forcing 3♠ or a game-forcing 3♥, then I think 3♥ is obvious. I also thought 3♥ as inv+ with spades is NA standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 3 ♥ Inv+ for spades. wtp or was it wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I also thought 3♥ as inv+ with spades is NA standard. Oh, I thought 3H was gameforcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I also thought 3♥ as inv+ with spades is NA standard. Oh, I thought 3H was gameforcing. That, obviously, is open for agreement. I prefer inv+, to be able to bid 3♠ only to compete. Both approaches have their up- and downside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 3♥, inv+ with spades. 3♠ NF is underbidding, yiou could have a whole ace less for the bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I wonder what a direct 4♠ shows and how it differs from the cue-bid route. I would think the cuebid route shows a stronger and/or more flexible hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanbari Posted July 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I also thought 3♥ as inv+ with spades is NA standard. Oh, I thought 3H was gameforcing. That, obviously, is open for agreement. I prefer inv+, to be able to bid 3♠ only to compete. Both approaches have their up- and downside. good to know 3h inv+. which is the bid i am looking for. thanks for all the reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sakj9xxhxxdqctxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPN - E - S - W1C (2N) ??opps overcall 2n to shows diamond and heart, and N/S vul. you are holding south hand, and what to bid ?[/hv] IMO 4♠=10, 3♦=9 (Crowhurst), 3♠=5.4♠ is a non-forcing fit jump. 4♦ and 4♥ would be splinters. Crowhurst improves on the (later) Unusual over unusual. Eric Crowhurst published the convention in Acol in Competition (1981). Crowhurst reverses the meaning of the 3-level cue-bids so that opener with no fit in your suit has room for manoeuvre at the 3 level 3♣ (Partner's suit) = Natural raise. Non-forcing.3♠ (new suit) = Natural. Non-forcing.3♦ (Lower ranking of opponent's suits) = Length in unbid suit. Forcing.3♥ (Higher ranking of opponent's suits) = Support for partner. Forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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