Apollo81 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 All white, BAM ♠Qx♥xx♦KJ♣AQ9xxxx 2♣-(2♥)-2♠-(3♥)? 2♣ = precision, shows 6+, denies a 4-card major2♠ = F1, 5+ cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Pass seems obvious. You have a minimum opener with one extra club and marginal support for partner's suit. Hardly enough to take any forward going action. I cannot imagine that a double here would be a support double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I have a minimum opener with an extra club but the dreaded 7222, so I pass. By the way, does support double apply this high? Not for me. It doesn't matters much anyway since I am not going to double - whatever that means. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 To clarify the OP, a 3♠ bid here would normally show 3, so if double means something other than penaltyish, then Hx seems like a good spade holding to have for such a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Pass seems clear. Whatever you decide, double would not be penalty. According to Arend, I'm the only person in the world that would play it as co-operative, so apparently the avant-garde play it as takeout. I think playing a double here as exactly 2 pieces is rather restrictive. Why assign a specific meaning, when we can assign something amorphous, and is a lock to win the post-mortem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Pass is clear, and Dbl would not be penalty. I would Dbl with 2137 and the same honor structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Partner bid a spade suit over 2H, he wanted to get spades in!! Give him 3S.Pass would hate spades: S-x/xx. Ax/Kx/Qx is great support here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'm a passer, and don't think it's close; minimum, no shortness, so-so support. I'm rebidding 3♠ over a balancing double by partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Can't imagine the temptation to do anything. Easy pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'm a passer, and don't think it's close; minimum, no shortness, so-so support. I'm rebidding 3♠ over a balancing double by partner. We agree completely...lets see if PD can balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Does partner have a negative X available instead of bidding 2S ? If partner had 5 lousy spades would he bid 2S or made a neg X. I like to play that X followed by 3S show 5 lousy spades and a good hand (forcing). With a lousy hand and lousy 5 spades i would just make a neg x anyway. So for me 2S show good spades more often 6 then 5 so i can raise to 3S. If 2S = any 5 spades is possible then i pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichMor Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I would Pass; flat pattern + minimum + poor Spade support. I don't think Double should be penalty but should be a 'support' double. A support double should show good 2-card support, with good 3-card support just raise. Agree with gerben:I would Dbl with 2137 and the same honor structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 What is the difference between passing now and then bidding 3S when partner re-opens, and making a support X now, assuming that that is what a double would mean? (It's not clear that it should be a support dbl. It could be a hand that wants to play in 3NT if P has a heart stopper.) What the difference between partner bidding 2S immediately as opposed to making a neg X/ 2H and then bidding spades. Why do I ask all these questions that interests no one? If it's a support double, I suggest that the second method shows a minimum that wouldn't accept a game try, and that the first sequence shows a hand that would accept some kind of game try. Why reverse the meanings? Because, just because 2S was F-1, that doesn't mean P must have a hand that would necessarily re-open. P might have had a decent 6 card spade suit and little else. If the system doesn't permit 2S/2H competitive with such a hand, then that seems to be a flaw. At least, by differentiating the strength of your hand, partner has some idea whether or not you'd accept a game try. Does this make any sense? I doubt it, but it's just a suggestion and permitted me to (figuratively), open my big mouth and get in trouble as a result. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Pass: You have described your hand already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 This was a long time ago, before vacation, so I don't remember the whole hand very well. You have to bid 3♠ to get a good score on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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