Like it or lump it

[jillybean]

Here we go again

Each time I view forums lately, there is one post that stands out – What The Fuck partner

 

I was under the impression the WC was there for this type of language. Obviously not, the moderators and site owners allow it and I’m in the tiny minority who object to it. How far can we go now?

[matmat]

WTF?

[Guest Jlall]

Jillybean I really like you but I really don't understand how these things are offensive to you. Maybe that is MY problem though, but it's honestly so far removed from me that I cannot even understand it. Are you actually offended reading "wtf" regarding a bridge hand? (I know that sounds rhetorical, but it's not.) If so, why? Just the thought of the F word is offensive regardless of anything else? I am honestly curious because you're a very nice person and I just want to understand where you are coming from.

[inquiry]

Jilly, are you sure it means what you think it means... I always thought it stood for this.....

 

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Don't we all enjoy playing bridge while at work? (WTF is a PSP game). B)

[Winstonm]

Yes, and F.U. stands for Felix Unger.

[jillybean]

Justin and all,

 

Yes, I find the word ***** unnecessary and offensive here. If I happened to find myself in a rugby club changing room I would not be surprised to hear it, I would have no complaints but I wouldn’t stay and listen to it either. If I hear people talking like this in public I ask them to watch their language. Its cool when you are young but it is rarely appropriate. It may be ok in private or in certain groups, other forums are dedicated to it http://www.bakakage.net/index.php?showforum=4 but why is it necessary in a bridge forum?

 

Justin let me ask you a question, would you use this language at dinner with your parents and grandmother or at a meeting with a new paying client?

 

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter what I think, I’m not making the rules but I do feel strongly enough about it to say something.

 

Oh and why do I find the word offensive?

 

It is what it is, swear words, expletives, vulgarities designed to shock, offend and insult. There is usually a sexist connotation, derogatory to women or female body parts, I doubt that I need to give any examples.

[kenrexford]

WTH?

[Elianna]

I agree with Jillybean in that I think that this language should not be acceptable public language, but I don't know that anything can be done about it. It's the way people talk nowadays.

 

I can't even get my students (at a religious girl's school) not to swear in the hallways, I doubt that you could force adults not to swear, especially when they're not typing out the word, they're using abreviations.

 

Since I saw this post, I was thinking about this subject. I was brought up that it is unacceptable to use certain words/expressions in public, and that those who do are breaking the rules intentionally, for attention. I now think that society does not impose this onus against words/expressions, and so there isn't a shock factor to many people when they read/hear them.

 

I doubt that we can ever go back to the previous state, and wonder what a future generation will do when they can't shock their parents by their language.

[zasanya]

Justin and all,

 

Yes, I find the word ***** unnecessary and offensive here. If I happened to find myself in a rugby club changing room I would not be surprised to hear it, I would have no complaints but I wouldn’t stay and listen to it either. If I hear people talking like this in public I ask them to watch their language. Its cool when you are young but it is rarely appropriate. It may be ok in private or in certain groups, other forums are dedicated to it http://www.bakakage.net/index.php?showforum=4 but why is it necessary in a bridge forum?

 

Justin let me ask you a question, would you use this language at dinner with your parents and grandmother or at a meeting with a new paying client?

 

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter what I think, I’m not making the rules but I do feel strongly enough about it to say something.

 

Oh and why do I find the word offensive?

 

It is what it is, swear words, expletives, vulgarities designed to shock, offend and insult. There is usually a sexist connotation, derogatory to women or female body parts, I doubt that I need to give any examples.

well said

[matmat]

I agree with Jillybean in that I think that this language should not be acceptable public language, but I don't know that anything can be done about it. It's the way people talk nowadays.

 

I can't even get my students (at a religious girl's school) not to swear in the hallways, I doubt that you could force adults not to swear, especially when they're not typing out the word, they're using abreviations.

 

Since I saw this post, I was thinking about this subject. I was brought up that it is unacceptable to use certain words/expressions in public, and that those who do are breaking the rules intentionally, for attention. I now think that society does not impose this onus against words/expressions, and so there isn't a shock factor to many people when they read/hear them.

 

I doubt that we can ever go back to the previous state, and wonder what a future generation will do when they can't shock their parents by their language.

as it might be obvious from my earlier post, this sort of language doesn't really bother me.

 

I find it sort of amusing that people get all pissy about the use of the f-bomb or some other curseword, and are not insulted by various other social faux pas.

 

For instance, I find it a lot more insulting when someone lies to me, than if they tell me to go f. myself. It seems to me this is all about the appearance of propriety rather than morality/social standards themselves. Maybe I am jaded, but I get the sense that people care a LOT more about what others think of them than of what they actually are like.

 

The outrage at "improper" language often strikes me as fake.

[jdonn]

The abbreviation offends you, but you typed out the word itself which most of us never do. I just don't understand you.

[jtfanclub]

The abbreviation offends you, but you typed out the word itself which most of us never do. I just don't understand you.

And when the question comes up as to whether reading the forum is Safe for Work, WTF is fine, but typing out the word is not.

[mike777]

I agree with Jillybean in that I think that this language should not be acceptable public language, but I don't know that anything can be done about it.  It's the way people talk nowadays. 

 

I can't even get my students (at a religious girl's school) not to swear in the hallways, I doubt that you could force adults not to swear, especially when they're not typing out the word, they're using abreviations.

 

Since I saw this post, I was thinking about this subject.  I was brought up that it is unacceptable to use certain words/expressions in public, and that those who do are breaking the rules intentionally, for attention.  I now think that society does not impose this onus against words/expressions, and so there isn't a shock factor to many people when they read/hear them.

 

I doubt that we can ever go back to the previous state, and wonder what a future generation will do when they can't shock their parents by their language.

as it might be obvious from my earlier post, this sort of language doesn't really bother me.

 

I find it sort of amusing that people get all pissy about the use of the f-bomb or some other curseword, and are not insulted by various other social faux pas.

 

For instance, I find it a lot more insulting when someone lies to me, than if they tell me to go f. myself. It seems to me this is all about the appearance of propriety rather than morality/social standards themselves. Maybe I am jaded, but I get the sense that people care a LOT more about what others think of them than of what they actually are like.

 

The outrage at "improper" language often strikes me as fake.

I would greatly prefer a family language forum site where children could be directed too but agree that most posters seem to prefer a more adult language site.

 

More worrisome is that Elianna in an all girl religious school cannot or has given up the good fight ( :) ) to discipline children over swear words. The fight was long lost in public schools, hate to see it lost in private religious schools.

[matmat]

More worrisome is that Elianna in an all girl religious school cannot or has given up the good fight (  :) ) to discipline children over swear words.  The fight was long lost in public schools, hate to see it lost in private religious schools.

yes, me too.

we all know that religious people are paragons of moral and ethical behavior. especially the ones at the helm.

 

I think it is important to teach children that lying is ok, as long as you can get away with it, so is killing, stealing and all those lovely things. But cursing.... cursing is NOT allowed. it is evil and, oh-so insulting.

 

 

(this thread should perhaps be moved to the water cooler).

[zasanya]

I agree with Jillybean in that I think that this language should not be acceptable public language, but I don't know that anything can be done about it.  It's the way people talk nowadays. 

 

I can't even get my students (at a religious girl's school) not to swear in the hallways, I doubt that you could force adults not to swear, especially when they're not typing out the word, they're using abreviations.

 

Since I saw this post, I was thinking about this subject.  I was brought up that it is unacceptable to use certain words/expressions in public, and that those who do are breaking the rules intentionally, for attention. 

 

I doubt that we can ever go back to the previous state, and wonder what a future generation will do when they can't shock their parents by their language.

as it might be obvious from my earlier post, this sort of language doesn't really bother me.

 

I find it sort of amusing that people get all pissy about the use of the f-bomb or some other curseword, and are not insulted by various other social faux pas.

 

I would greatly prefer a family language forum site where children could be directed too but agree that most posters seem to prefer a more adult language site.

I am not really surprised or shocked when children use such language.I presume they are immature and/or do not have the vocabulary to express themselves.I resnt it however when supposedly mature adults who have the vocabulary to express themselves use the F word.

[P_Marlowe]

The abbreviation offends you, but you typed out the word itself which most of us never do. I just don't understand you.

She wanted to discuss the matter, hard to do, if you cant use

the abbreviation / spelling it out, and just because she has

spelled it out, does not mean she had no problems with

spelling it out.

 

For whats it worth, for me, it is certainly not the problem, if

the whole comes up one or two times, but that has changed

a little bit, and one should be careful that it does not get out

of control.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[matmat]

I am not really surprised or shocked when children use such language.I presume they are immature and/or do not have the vocabulary to express themselves.I resnt it however when supposedly mature adults who have the vocabulary to express themselves use the F word.

why?

 

i really don't see why people have such fragile ears... why does someone using the F word offend you so much? can you explain?

[the hog]

I am not really surprised or shocked when children use such language.I presume they are immature and/or do not have the vocabulary to express themselves.I resnt it however when supposedly mature adults who have the vocabulary to express themselves use the F word.

why?

 

i really don't see why people have such fragile ears... why does someone using the F word offend you so much? can you explain?

This is a particularly silly post. If something offends you, it offends you. End of story. Why are something things frowned upon in certain religions or cultures and not in others? Basically because of the way in which you have been brought up and imbued with a certain sense of moral values.

 

Personally I don't find it offensive apart from when someone uses terms like this to be abusive. However then it usually just indicates an extremely limited vocabulary and a basic lack of intelligence.

 

When someone asks you to stop using terms like this in an open forum to continue to do is just bad manners. However I agree it that should be the moderators who are the arbiters of good taste. They appear to have let standards lapse considerably of late.

[zasanya]

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'''' let me ask you a question, would you use this language at dinner with your parents and grandmother or at a meeting with a new paying client?

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Oh and why do I find the word offensive?

 

It is what it is, swear words, expletives, vulgarities designed to shock, offend and insult. There is usually a sexist connotation, derogatory to women or female body parts, I doubt that I need to give any examples.

Matmat,I think Jillybean2 has already answered that question.

I agree with your assertion that lying,cheating,deliberately inflicting physical assaults are more reprehensible acts.I protest against them also.

[zasanya]

I am not really surprised or shocked when children use such language.I presume they are immature and/or do not have the vocabulary to express themselves.I resnt it however when supposedly mature adults who have the vocabulary to express themselves use the F word.

why?

 

i really don't see why people have such fragile ears... why does someone using the F word offend you so much? can you explain?

This is a particularly silly post.

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Forgive meThe Hog, but I find this sentence as offensive as the F word.Couldnt you just have said "I differ from you" or something to that effect?

Maybe Matmat is right and I have fragile ears. :P

[matmat]

When someone asks you to stop using terms like this in an open forum to continue to do is just bad manners. However I agree it that should be the moderators who are the arbiters of good taste. They appear to have let standards lapse considerably of late.

Really?

 

it offends me whenever anyone mentions "clubs" on the forums. i think it is inappropriate to talk about weapons here.

 

I see absolutely no reason to stop using cursewords simply because it wilts somebody else's ears/eyes. that is their problem, not mine, they can choose to ignore my posts if they are so inclined.

 

I have very little respect for people whose social norms are based on something they have just heard/read somewhere and ones that they have not thought about. And, how is it in good taste to tell others what they should or should not do? what, exactly, makes you qualified to tell others what proper and improper behavior are?

[the hog]

Mat it appears you are illiterate and ignorant as well as rude. If you reread my post you will see that 1) I have used the phrase "terms such as this". This means terms that have the ability to cause offence to many. Don't attempt to be precious with your example about "clubs".

2) I stated that it should be the moderators who should be the arbiters.

 

Further your insistence that the problem is anothers and not your own is selfish and misguided. You live in a community with others and therefore have some responsibility to respect their wishes. For example , how would you feel if I blew smoke all over you at the dinner table. Before you lable this as an incorrect analogy, I suggest you think it through.

[matmat]

Mat it appears you are illiterate and ignorant as well as rude.

 

Thanks. I appreciate your opinion and will file it accordingly.

 

If you reread my post you will see that 1) I have used the phrase "terms such as this". This means terms that have the ability to cause offence to many. Don't attempt to be precious with your example about "clubs".

 

Could you, possibly, be any more condescending?

The only damage done by a curseword is to the reader's/listener's sensibility. It has no impact on their life beyond their reaction of "oh my goodness, he used a curseword, i can't believe he used a curseword. he shouldn't be saying things like this, they're inappropriate!" It is not my problem that someone can't get over a baseless reaction like this.

 

2) I stated that it should be the moderators who should be the arbiters.

this just brings back memories of the "do you have the balls?" thread... censorship is a dangerous thing and, IMO, unless a post is directly insulting or threatening should not be applied, and even in those cases judiciously.

 

Further your insistence that the problem is anothers and not your own  is selfish and misguided. You live in a community with others and therefore have some responsibility to respect their wishes. For example , how would you feel if I blew smoke all over you at the dinner table. Before you lable this as an incorrect analogy, I suggest you think it through.

 

well... see... that *is* a totally incorrect analogy. the moment you blow smoke in my face, you are increasing my chance of getting cancer and thus causing me physical harm and shortening my life expectancy. words do not have this effect, unless, possibly, they are used as a form of torture, which, curses, in an open forum do not. so please, kindly, go stick your cigarette up your @$$.

[the hog]

Ah, after reading your last post I now understand. You are all of 15 years old, correct? You have a lot of growing up to do sonny Jim.

[matmat]

Ah, after reading your last post I now understand. You are all of 15 years old, correct? You have a lot of growing up to do sonny Jim.

it certainly does seem that your responses are much more mature than mine.