rogerclee Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 IMPs, All White, Fourth Seat ♠K ♥AQTxxx ♦AJx ♣8xx (4♠) - P - (P) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I think opener has a better chance of making 4♠ than you do of making anything. Is the question whether to bid 5♥ as a sacrifice? The spade king is wasted. Probably LHO has few hearts so a finesse or two may work.On the other hand any club finesses will not. Its not unlikley to lose 3 club tricks, and a spade trick. Or a spade a dime, and 2 clubs. Bidding 5♥ is likley down, and on occasion will be doubled.Maybe at MP its worth bididng becaus eyou expect 4S to make > 50% of the time.I dont know about IMPs.If they make 60% of the time, NV, and you are down 1+ 75% of the time NV, sometimes doubled, is it worth bididng? Maybe the expected value is such that its worth bidding, shoing a small plus, hoping you aren't down too much, or that your occasional makes offset you occasional doubled down 2+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Double (takeout according to my agreements). I don't think this is obvious. Indeed, I could be persuaded that pass is better. Certainly doubling could land us into trouble. But it is also possible for 4♠ to be cold and we have a contract, or for 4♠ to be going a couple down. If the spade King was moved to one of our other suits, I think double would be completely clear. I don't like 5♥ at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 IMPs, All White, Fourth Seat ♠ K ♥ AQTxxx ♦ AJx ♣ 8xx(4♠) - P - (P) - ? Not obvious to me. My guess _X = 10, 5♥ = 7, _P = 6The five level belongs to ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 It looks like a pass to me. Since two people have already doubled, I suppose we should conclude that it's not obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I would also pass. I have sympathy for double, not for 5H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Pass. I want to reserve my 5H or X for stronger hands. This is a 14hcp (with wasted ♠K), 7-loser hand. If you bid 5H and partner has xxx Kxxx Qxx AQx, wouldn't partner bid 6H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I'd pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Pass for me too. Frankly I think its a non-problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 I doubled, which happened to work on this deal. The 4♠ on the left was kind of a joke (7-4 in the blacks with two jacks). Partner had the nuts, ♠Qx ♥Kxxx ♦KQxxx ♣Ax. We will leave it at that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 I'd pass, clearly the hand is not worth 5h, and I think Dbl will result in -x90 more than down 2+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 I don't think it's that hard to pass. Obviously bidding 5♥ is ridiculous, but if you double you won't find it when you belong there anyway. I might double online if I was mad or not being serious though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 The 4♠ on the left was kind of a joke (7-4 in the blacks with two jacks). Partner had the nuts, ♠Qx ♥Kxxx ♦KQxxx ♣Ax. Quite an effective joke - seven of us have just scored +100 on a hand where we're cold for slam. Did you reach the slam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 The 4♠ on the left was kind of a joke (7-4 in the blacks with two jacks). Partner had the nuts, ♠Qx ♥Kxxx ♦KQxxx ♣Ax. Quite an effective joke - seven of us have just scored +100 on a hand where we're cold for slam. Did you reach the slam? +50. You get one in each suit. No, partner passed 4♠x, but we wouldn't have found slam anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 Ah yes. 13 - 7 - 4 != 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 I don't think it's that hard to pass. Obviously bidding 5♥ is ridiculous, but if you double you won't find it when you belong there anyway. I might double online if I was mad or not being serious though. The 4♠ on the left was kind of a joke (7-4 in the blacks with two jacks). Partner had the nuts, ♠ Qx ♥ Kxxx ♦ KQxxx ♣Ax Quite an effective joke - seven of us have just scored +100 on a hand where we're cold for slam. Did you reach the slam? +50. You get one in each suit. No, partner passed 4♠x, but we wouldn't have found slam anyway.The majority require more than ♠ K ♥ AQTxxx ♦ AJx ♣ 8xx for a protective X. Presumably, opposite such a double, some would consider bidding game or slam with ♠ Qx ♥ Kxxx ♦ KQxxx ♣Ax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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