kenrexford Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 ♠J9xxx ♥-- ♦AK10x ♣AKxx P-P-P-1♠-P-4♠-P-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 I think 5♠ should ask about trumps, but I'm not sure, so I'm just going to bid 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Pass. Yes, we might miss a slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Pass. Assuming partner had many many types of raises at his arsenal when we opened in 4th seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 ♠Axxxx ♥xxxx (etc) is a pretty good slam. I would bid RKC then 6 as long as pard has a keycard (hopefully it's in spades) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambolino Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 playing 3nt as a constructive transfer to 4s helps. cherdano condemned 4-th level bids after that as exclusion, but i would us'em with pleasure here. playing no special methods, pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 ♠J9xxx ♥-- ♦AK10x ♣AKxxP-P-P-1♠-P-4♠-P-? IMO 5♠ = 10, 6♠ = 7, _P = 5The five level belongs to ME :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Bidding on is terrible. By bidding you are betting pard has ♠Axxxx, a minor stiff, and a fitting Queen. Even this collection borders on a limit raise for me. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Partner's hand turned out to be: ♠K10x ♦98x ♣Qx ♥AQJxx Obviously, very strange bidding. I would have expected a 1♥ opening, but this partner said his openings are VERY sound (an understatement???). Plus, Drury comes to mind. As you can see, 6♠ would have turned on the finesse (which fails) even after the fortuitous heart lead that you receive (at least at 4♠). I was curious, though, whether anyone would move after a real sequence 4♠ call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I was curious, though, whether anyone would move after a real sequence 4♠ call. Only the eternally optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 EASY pass. Very easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Another deal ripe for a simulation. Suggested conditions:Neither opponent has values for an opening bid (for example, neither has 6+ hearts).LHO does not even have values for a passed hand overcall or double.Partner has at least 4 spades and fewer than 8 losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I would def. bid on, he is not preempting, he has some points and shape.I try 5 Spade, asking for good spades. Even opposite xxxxx,KQJxx,xx,xx I am not down yet. And this hand is against the odds already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I would think this would be a good question if partner was an unpassed hand. It seems to me, if partner had a good 4♠ pre-empt, he could always Splinter or bid 2NT. I mean, what's the fear here, exactly? Opps both passed and are going to come in at the 4 level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I would think this would be a good question if partner was an unpassed hand. It seems to me, if partner had a good 4♠ pre-empt, he could always Splinter or bid 2NT. I mean, what's the fear here, exactly? Opps both passed and are going to come in at the 4 level? But, that seems counter-intuitive, unless I am not following. Doesn't this reasoning suggest that 4M by a passed hand should show a slightly better hand than a 4M call by an unpassed hand? Should this not be particularly so considering the prevalence of LIA and four-card suits in third seat, and sometimes fourth seat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I would think this would be a good question if partner was an unpassed hand. It seems to me, if partner had a good 4♠ pre-empt, he could always Splinter or bid 2NT. I mean, what's the fear here, exactly? Opps both passed and are going to come in at the 4 level? But, that seems counter-intuitive, unless I am not following. Doesn't this reasoning suggest that 4M by a passed hand should show a slightly better hand than a 4M call by an unpassed hand? No, just the opposite. Let's say I'm playing with mini and maxi Splinters. So... Unpassed hand, 5 spades, singleton club. 1♠-2NT= 4+ spades, numerous hands but includes 16+ with club shortness.1♠-4♣=12-15, 4+ spades, short in clubs.1♠-3♣=8-12, 4+ spades, short in clubs.1♠-4♠=6-8, 5+ spades, unknown shortness. Passed hand, 5 spades, singleton club1♠-4♣=9-11, 4+ spades, short in clubs.1♠-3♣=7-9, 4+ spades, short in clubs1♠-4♠=5-7, 4+ spades, unknown shortness. or something similar. The point is, I have 3 bids to show the same shape and 5-15 hcp for an unpassed hand, and 5-11 hcp with a passed hand. So I can make the ranges lower and tighter for 4♠ with a passed hand. If playing Bergen or the like, same rules apply. Splinters go down in strength, so everything else cascades down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I would think this would be a good question if partner was an unpassed hand. It seems to me, if partner had a good 4♠ pre-empt, he could always Splinter or bid 2NT. I mean, what's the fear here, exactly? Opps both passed and are going to come in at the 4 level? But, that seems counter-intuitive, unless I am not following. Doesn't this reasoning suggest that 4M by a passed hand should show a slightly better hand than a 4M call by an unpassed hand? No, just the opposite. Let's say I'm playing with mini and maxi Splinters. So... Unpassed hand, 5 spades, singleton club. 1♠-2NT= 4+ spades, numerous hands but includes 16+ with club shortness.1♠-4♣=12-15, 4+ spades, short in clubs.1♠-3♣=8-12, 4+ spades, short in clubs.1♠-4♠=6-8, 5+ spades, unknown shortness. Passed hand, 5 spades, singleton club1♠-4♣=9-11, 4+ spades, short in clubs.1♠-3♣=7-9, 4+ spades, short in clubs1♠-4♠=5-7, 4+ spades, unknown shortness. or something similar. The point is, I have 3 bids to show the same shape and 5-15 hcp for an unpassed hand, and 5-11 hcp with a passed hand. So I can make the ranges lower and tighter for 4♠ with a passed hand. If playing Bergen or the like, same rules apply. Splinters go down in strength, so everything else cascades down. I understand that you have more space to define things. That said, do you really want to bid 4♠, for example, with four-card support, a stiff, and 5 HCP? What, KQxx-x-xxxx-xxxx? That's utter garbage, contextually. If you catch partner with some typical BS third-seat opening, or a tactical four-seat opening with only four spades, the two-level is in jeopardy. I would have guessed, instead, that a 4♠ leap, if you did this, was based on some flawed mess of a hand. With the hand I was actually looking at, it seems that some mess like ♠Axxxx ♥xxxxx ♦Qx ♣Q might be more likely. Not right for a splinter or a fit jump or any other normal option. Not right to open. Now, admittedly this actual proposal is the "wow" possibility. Contra that might be something like ♠xxxxx ♥AKJxx ♦xx ♣x, where the fit-jump is wrong because the spade honor situation sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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