gwnn Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 3QT9843432432 all white imps, you deal yourself this weak 2, or not. is it a weak 2? what would change its category? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 No, this is a 3♥ opening for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 For me this is too weak. I'd do it if you made it favorable and made one of the small ♥ into the J♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 No, this is a 3♥ opening for me. you have a death wish :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I learned, a long time ago, that when you hold nothing, the best approach is to say nothing. Now, obviously there are exceptions to every rule. White v red, especially in 3rd seat, most bets are off. But to inflict a 1st seat, equal heat, weak two or a 3-level preempt on partner and teammates is the worst kind of 'leave it all to me, folks, I will win (or lose) this match all by myself'. I'd love to play against someone who bid like this, especially in a long match. Seriously: just how is partner to bid when he has a good hand if your preempts can be this shitty? How can he calculate how high to save if your preempts can be this trickless? If you want to open, check your convention card to see if you play psyches, and open 1♥.. at least that way you have a chance that the logic of the auction will let partner work out what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 3QT9843432432 all white imps, you deal yourself this weak 2, or not. is it a weak 2? what would change its category? I pass Add two Aces and Roth may open a weak two bid. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I learned, a long time ago, that when you hold nothing, the best approach is to say nothing. Now, obviously there are exceptions to every rule. White v red, especially in 3rd seat, most bets are off. But to inflict a 1st seat, equal heat, weak two or a 3-level preempt on partner and teammates is the worst kind of 'leave it all to me, folks, I will win (or lose) this match all by myself'. I'd love to play against someone who bid like this, especially in a long match. Seriously: just how is partner to bid when he has a good hand if your preempts can be this shitty? How can he calculate how high to save if your preempts can be this trickless? If you want to open, check your convention card to see if you play psyches, and open 1♥.. at least that way you have a chance that the logic of the auction will let partner work out what's going on. I agree with most of this, but sometimes it's a style issue as well. I played in a partnership several years back where my partner's idea of a preempt was 0-5 (noted on the convention card, disclosed, and alerted to opponents when bid). I agree that the style is "unsound", but it's certainly not masterminding. As partner I knew that I couldn't move unless I held a 20 count myself. Note that I no longer play such an aggressive style, but I don't think it's impossible to judge as long as it's part of your agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 I agree with most of this, but sometimes it's a style issue as well. I played in a partnership several years back where my partner's idea of a preempt was 0-5 (noted on the convention card, disclosed, and alerted to opponents when bid). I agree that the style is "unsound", but it's certainly not masterminding. Fair enough, but it seemed clear that the OP isn't playing that agreed style.. if he were, he wouldn't be posing the question. Personally, I have recently been playing, with some success, a multi 2♦ that has a range of 3-7 hcp, weak 2 in a major. But I wouldn't open a 3 count playing with any other partner, because that would be masterminding in those partnerships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Pass. I would probably overcall 2♥ though over 1m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 it's a partnership agreement/style issue. It's a no for me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 ♥J instead of ♥3. That'll make it for me, though I might pass it sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 I might open it with a weak 2 w/r in 3rd seat. Otherwise it has nowhere near enough playing strength for my taste. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Fair enough, but it seemed clear that the OP isn't playing that agreed style.. if he were, he wouldn't be posing the question. I take your point, but at the same time if the question is "playing a preempting style where our range is 5-9 hcp (or 6-10 or whatever), would you open this 2♥?" then that seems like a non question either. It'd be like me saying "You hold Axx KQxx Qxx QTx and are playing a 15-17 NT. Do you open 1NT?" Anyway, I'm sure we're both in agreement on this particular matter! :P :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 would open 3rd seat w/r or w/w (though I don't get punished enough for making such bids) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Clear pass for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 If you want to open, check your convention card to see if you play psyches, and open 1♥.. at least that way you have a chance that the logic of the auction will let partner work out what's going on. LOL! I was thinking this exact same thing -- that a 2♥ opening is absurd but that a 1♥ call might make sense as, strangely, the easier to read! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Clear 1NT. Pass the 2♥ transfer. Combine with the 1NT w/ singleton thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Maybe we should open 1N and pass pard's 2H transfer. You must fight the temptation to bid on hands like this. Pard isnt in on the joke and wont be happy. My pard pulled this on me in a KO a few months ago and I bid 3N on a 20 count. I was pretty pissed. Sometimes you get a big win when pard can bounce but frequently you just randomize things when pard has a 4144 16 count and passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Too weak for me, even at white vs red, though I may take a second look before passing in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Pass, but I know a LOT of very very good players who think the right style is to open 3 NV (3 weaker than 2). To me this is crazy but there must be merit to this style given how many advocate it (and I see 655321 is among them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Pass, but I know a LOT of very very good players who think the right style is to open 3 NV (3 weaker than 2). To me this is crazy but there must be merit to this style given how many advocate it (and I see 655321 is among them). My partner would open this 3H first in NV against V, but I don't think he would do it on this hand at love all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Doesn't some SO's require 3 HCP for an opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Pass, but I know a LOT of very very good players who think the right style is to open 3 NV (3 weaker than 2). To me this is crazy but there must be merit to this style given how many advocate it (and I see 655321 is among them). I do this in one partnership at favorable. We got the idea from Ed Hoogekamp's book. But I am not convinced it is such a good idea in general. It is only in 1st seat at IMPs that I really feel good about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 With one partner, I play light openings 1st & 2nd seat NONVUL. 10-12 1NT, 10 HCP opening bids. Weak 2s are 3-9 and may be on any 5 cards. Even with these agreements, this hand is not good enough to open a weak 2 bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Doesn't some SO's require 3 HCP for an opening? Not mine.(What a silly rule) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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