Apollo81 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 ♠KT73♥A5♦AKT853♣T unfav, MPs p-(2♥)-X-(p)2♠-(p)-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambolino Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 3s is a fair bid i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 4♠. We don't need much to make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Tough. On the one hand, partner could have something like ♠AQxx ♥xxx ♦Qxx ♣xxx, where 6♠ is a good contract. On the other hand, partner could have some garbage like ♠Jxx ♥xxxx ♦xxx ♣xxx, where 2♠ is in jeopardy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 This is a good hand for the natural game try of 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 3S middle of the road for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 I'd try 4. We have the type of hand where if we get good splits we probably will make 4, and if we don't we will probably go down in 3 (opposite partner's marginal passes of 3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 3♠ is enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 unfav, MPs ♠ KT73 ♥ A5 ♦ AKT853 ♣ Tp-(2♥)-X-(p)2♠-(p)-? IMO 3♥ = 10, 4♠ = 8, 3♠ = 6, 4♦ = 4.It depends on your agreements if any. For example is 3♦ forcing? 4♣ / 4♦ a splinter / fit jump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I guess 4♠ and hope it's not too much. I don't see any point whatsoever in 3♥, unless you are saying you're about to try for 3NT from partner's side then what does it get you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I bid 4♠, which got doubled and went down 2 on a bad spade split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 IMO 3♥ = 10, 4♠ = 8, 3♠ = 6, 4♦ = 4.It depends on your agreements if any. For example is 3♦ forcing? 4♣ / 4♦ a splinter / fit jump?Why does 3♥ get the top score? Does it show 4-card support? I don't think so. Nobody I know plays that 3♦ in this auction is forcing so it isn't relevant. And why would you bid 4♦, whatever it means, in the best case you end up in 4♠ anyway and the opponents will know how to defend. I would generally rather read the arguments for your choice than reading how many points you give your third and fourth choice. Who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I bid 4♠, which got doubled and went down 2 on a bad spade split. What was pard's hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 IMO 3♥ = 10, 4♠ = 8, 3♠ = 6, 4♦ = 4.It depends on your agreements if any. For example is 3♦ forcing? 4♣ / 4♦ a splinter / fit jump?Why does 3♥ get the top score? Does it show 4-card support? I don't think so. Nobody I know plays that 3♦ in this auction is forcing so it isn't relevant. And why would you bid 4♦, whatever it means, in the best case you end up in 4♠ anyway and the opponents will know how to defend. I would generally rather read the arguments for your choice than reading how many points you give your third and fourth choice. Who cares?My replies reflect the kind of answer I like when I post a problem. Usually I know that the option I chose was less than ideal. I want to know is how close my choice was to what others consider to be better choices. Marking the various options provides the most useful feedback. I divulge more "reasoning" than most; but here (as explained) your choice depends on your partnership agreements. FWIW mine are Direct raises like 3♠ and 4♠: unconstructive. Cue-bid: unassuming, usually a good hand with 4 card support or asking for a stop. If partner rebids 3♠, you can pass (although you might still bid 4♠ here). NT bids 19+HCP.New suit virtually forcing.Jumps show 3+support and a good 6+suit.But these are only partnership agreements; manifestly not to everybody's taste; so a tedious explanation seemed inappropriate :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I still don't see for the life of me what 3♥ gains over raising directly?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I still don't see for the life of me what 3♥ gains over raising directly?? Et tu Josh :DIMO 3♥ Helps partner to judge a possibly competitive auction by showing a defensive/offensive hand. Gives partner the chance to co-operate in slam exploration, below game If he has much to spare for his 2♠ bid, (At the other extreme) Allows you to subside in 3♠, if you judge your hand worth only 3♠ (as others do).Distinguishes ♠ Pre-empts like ♠ QJxxx ♥ - ♦ KQJx ♣ KQJx or♠ KJTxx ♥ - ♦ QJTxx ♣ KQx from♠ Powerouses like KTxx ♥ Ax ♦ AKTxxx ♣ x or even♠ Axxx ♥ x ♦ AKxx ♣ AKxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Hmm ok, you keep looking for slam with your 14 if you want opposite partner's weakest bid, and hopefully you will be able to distinguish the hand(s?) that makes slam from the vast majority that don't. But do you really think p (2♥) X (P)2♠ (P) ?? is a "possibly competitive auction"? I guess if you give them a 3♥ bid to double it gets more competitive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Hmm ok, you keep looking for slam with your 14 if you want opposite partner's weakest bid, and hopefully you will be able to distinguish the hand(s?) that makes slam from the vast majority that don't. But do you really think p (2♥) X (P)2♠ (P) ?? is a "possibly competitive auction"? I guess if you give them a 3♥ bid to double it gets more competitive... To some extent it is a matter of judgement, and we can agree to differ :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Anyone slamming with this should go read this thread. Over there in almost the identical auction the other hand has Q222, Txx, Q, AT9xx and people are split between 2S and 3S. I'd almost say that the linked thread contains the facing hand for this, but the scoring is different and there advancer is an unpassed hand. That facing hand makes me think that 3S is plenty here; if partner remotely close to good as that hand he will accept and we don't have much play facing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I bid 4♠, which got doubled and went down 2 on a bad spade split. What was pard's hand? xxxx KJxx Jx xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 3♠, partner having shown a weak hand so foar wil know what to do.For 3♥ I would need a much stronger hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 at least we didn't miss slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Anyone slamming with this should go read this thread. Over there in almost the identical auction the other hand has Q222, Txx, Q, AT9xx and people are split between 2S and 3S. I'd almost say that the linked thread contains the facing hand for this, but the scoring is different and there advancer is an unpassed hand. That facing hand makes me think that 3S is plenty here; if partner remotely close to good as that hand he will accept and we don't have much play facing less.I confess, I started to quote the same thread :) but discovered that the hand therein♠Qxxx ♥Txx ♦Q ♣ATxxx would rather undermine the slam-try argument :)There do exist seemingly weaker hands that would make slam a reasonable proposition. For instance♠AQxx ♥ xxx ♦ Qxx ♣ xxxAdmittedly, hands can usually be concocted to support doubtful Bridge arguments :(. It might be more pertinent to run a simulation (in the given context) of hands in the range 0-9 HCP with 8-12 losers and 4+ ♠ (to include hands like those above on which, apparently, many experts bid 2♠). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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