cooperate or not?

[Guest Jlall]

Ok, I guess you really DON'T get it. I guess you are really that out of touch with how people play/think about bridge. You seem to actually still believe that north's thought process during this hand was the same as yours, and he plays the same methods as you.

 

I will propose another bet. Assuming north doesn't read the forums, I will bet you that north in fact was just cuebidding, and did not mean 4S as a shortness ask. I will even give you 2:1 odds. We will escrow the money, and then ask jillybean to ask north. You would be smart not to take this bet since there is absolutely no chance that you are right.

 

North probably wasn't an idiot, just a bad or inexperienced player. If you play bridge, you see this exact thing happen very often with players of that type. You do NOT see people assuming they play "mathe ask" on this auction with your responses.

 

You do not seem to understand that my "ignorance" about this "other method" is not ignorance at all, it is you who is ignorant. I hate to tell you this, but as your attacks indicated I do play bridge every day, I have probably played 10x as many hands as you in my life, and I know what people play and how they think and what is standard. You have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE if this thread is any evidence. I'm sure you will say "blah blah blah logic" but you don't seem to understand that you are the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD who would assume what you are assuming is standard.

 

If the options are:

 

A ) North assumed Mathe ask with your responses, and bid his hand well albeit aggressively or

 

B ) North assumed cuebidding, and bid poorly

 

then B is 1000 times more likely. That is the point that you do not get, that is why people think you are insane, because everyone else knows this except you.

 

Now that I know that my understanding of how to bid properly is not the mainstream way to bid, I will think through how to respond to posts.

 

You should, because you do not know anything about what standard bridge is. Like, you literally know less than a little old lady who plays at the club. This is not even to insult you, it is to open your eyes to this.

 

I'll make sure that people know that my posts are how I was taught if they ask.

 

Lol. You realize how you started this post? You said "How could 4S be anything other than asking for a singleton?" then you told Mikeh that he was "completely out of his mind."

 

You were completely off base, read WRONG. You were so completely arrogant that you thought you were right and EVERY OTHER SINGLE PERSON was wrong, and you could not even re-evaluate that. Any other person confronted with those kind of numbers might have thought "Gee, I thought I was right, but everyone else thinks something else. I am very likely to be wrong, and maybe shouldn't present myself as all knowing." This is a problem with you in just about every thread.

 

Because I trust the person who taught and teaches me way more than the drivel I see from you, like not getting the fit non-jump issue and not understanding intermediate jump overcalls, and many similar things, I'll make sure that people know that my posts are how I was taught if they ask.

 

1) What are you talking about with intermediate jump overcalls (*hint* I am not cherdano who argued with you about them recently! And I like intermediate jump overcalls!)

 

2) LOL@ your arrogance. You call my posts drivel. That's great. I know more about bridge than you will ever know. This thread should be good evidence. You really are amazing to be condescending towards me. Why don't you accomplish something in bridge? Why don't you and your great mentor play me for money? Why don't you guys win anything of any significance? Seriously, you should back up ***** like this with something. You are pretty funny though, like a little dog who barks really loudly.

 

You again and again think that you know everything, that because I don't agree with you about non fit jumps (oh sorry, don't agree with your mentor who ROOMED with jeff and eric 20 years ago!) you know more than me. But you are wrong. Your posts are also far worse than mine.

 

But hey, you think you're better than me, and I think I'm better than you. I guess in bridge I've already proved it, but there is only one way to prove who is a better poster: public opinion. I will make you this offer: we do a poll on who is a better poster. The loser gets IP banned.

 

I find it amusing that in a thread where you make a complete fool of yourself, you attack me like this. Put your money where your mouth is!

[georgeac]

skipping all the arguments, i think 4h is a signoff by south. also they are a passed hand. just my 2 cents.

[jillybean]

Unfortunately I wasn’t playing with either Jeff or Eric , I asked my partner what his 4♠ bid was - just a slam try, a cue.

No surprises

[manudude03]

I'm also going to skip the flaming here. As much as I would LOVE 5D to show shortness, I would have to agree that it only shows the King (not the Ace- I personally never make a pre-emptive raise with an outside Ace).

 

When 5D got doubled, sheez could it have been any more obvious for North that slam is bad. What was to say he doesn't have a trump loser as well as a diamond loser even if 5D had shown shortage (would you still bid 4H on Qxx JT9xx x QJx? or even worse?)

 

EDIT: Having said that, you get a lot of players who like to bid 4H over 1H with 13-15. If North is one of those players (I hope not, I hate it when these auctions come up online), then perhaps he saw 5D as first round control at least then a 31-33 CPC slam wouldn't seem too bad. The blame is still with North though.

[neilkaz]

Unfortunately I wasn’t playing with either Jeff or Eric , I asked my partner what his 4♠ bid was - just a slam try, a cue.

No surprises

OK good...and from your 5♦ bid we can assume that your partnership is playing that you cue bid 1st or 2nd round controls, even at the 5 level the first time the suit is bid. Thus, I agree with your decision to cooperate with his slam try and bid 5♦. I assume that you're playing some kind of Drury, or some method to have shown a limit raise to prior to forcing to game with a more HCP oriented hand and therefore, you don't hold true junk for your 4♥ bid that would not cooperate.

 

Anyhow..while PD's 4♠ is pushy (I still rate it 3 out of 10) I will again stress that his jump to 6♥ after 5♦ is X'd is too bad for polite words to describe with three losers in that suit !!

 

Looking at 3♦ losers and not being certain whether you cue bid with Ax, in which case you make a grand if you hold Kxxxx in ♥ and they split 2-1 or your given Kxx ,in which case 6♥ may be set on the lead, he should pass 5♦X around to you ! You could then XX with first round control in ♦ or just bid 6♥ yourself with it, and liking your K of ♥.

 

I see so much unneeded panic from even some self proclaimed BBO experts when PD's Q bids or artificial bids are doubled. For some reason they seem to fear that 5♦X will become the final contract if they pass, and by returning to their suit they so often take away the Q-bidder's chance to show more info or to contribute further to the auction.

 

So to discuss with PD...did he/she think that 5♦ guaranteed first round control ? With any doubt, telll him/her to pass 5♦X around to you next time for clarification.