sfbp Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=s76hkqj9853dqj2c2]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] What is your call? Is there game if partner has 2 aces and a couple of 10's? (sorry Misiry call should be 3D, no way to edit poll) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 3D misiry wtp? In all seriousness, this is an easy 4H bid to me. Missing a slam is possible but I much prefer the gains of preempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 4♥? What else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 4♥ at these colors, np Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Favorable... easy 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 4♥ easy call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 And to think I bid 3♥ with this. I know, losers, etc. But this is what my partner expects from my 3♥ call, except the QJ of diamonds. I don't consider the QJ to be worth enough to raise this to a 4♥ call, since it will confuse partner if he has to decide whether to bid 5 over 4 or try for slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 4♥. I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted June 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Strange - when I first checked the results there were 3 replies saying 4 hearts and 3 votes for 3 hearts.... Go figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I bid 3♥ because I am not convinced that EW have an obvious game. The 3 level is high enough that they need something to bid on other than a 4441 11 HCP hand.There are 31 missing HCP, if pard has a random 9 count the opps may lose a dime, and a few else where in 4♠. 3♥ has a good chance of making. 4♥ does not. But neither does 4♠ or 4 of a minor. Do we know what the opponents are likely to do? Do they frequently bid over preempts? Rather than penalty double us? In that case there may be a case for 4♥ because the opps will bid on, thinking we are stealing, and they may well go down, maybe doubled. Pard might have 10 useful HCP, such as KJxx in spades behind LHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 4♥ WTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 4♥. I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half. Yes..the colors look right for 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 4♥. I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half. Yes..the colors look right for 4♥ Not any day and a half that I have seen. 4♥ naturally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 This is a very easy 4H opening for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Strange - when I first checked the results there were 3 replies saying 4 hearts and 3 votes for 3 hearts.... Go figure! A lot of people don't answer the polls and just post in the thread instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Strange - when I first checked the results there were 3 replies saying 4 hearts and 3 votes for 3 hearts.... Go figure! A lot of people don't answer the polls and just post in the thread instead. Some lie in the polls and then tell the truth in the posts, or vice-versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter. One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also? It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter. One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also? It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style. A perhaps as interesting question is if the major suits were reversed would you open 3♠ or 4♠? (or something else). The problem with 3♥ for me, is at these colors, there are way too many hands that we can make 4♥ on which partner would pass, because my 3 level preempts at this vul can be quite horrid. Of course, if you are a "sound" preempter, then this fear goes away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter. One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also? It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style. Why is it weird if 1 trick more makes you more likely to preempt 1 more level? It is weird to me that you think that's weird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter. One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also? It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style. Normally when I have a 7-card suit I don't have KQJ9.QJx isn't really that defensive as additional values, it is not like Qxx which takes a trick much more often on defense than while declaring.Also, 4M preempts are a little different to other preempts - the bonus for making them is a little bigger than for making other preempt bids in my experience. Hence some additional strength for a 4M bid can be quite useful. More to the point, aren't you afraid of +170 or +200 when you open this hand 3M? (And if anybody claims he promises that much when opening 3M at favorable, then he is either lying, or having selective memory, or is playing a losing style.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 4♥, unanimous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 4H. Assuming I am South. This depends on your requirements about a firstseat green vs. red preempt, for me the hand wouldbe to strong by 1,5 tricks for a 3H opening, so 4His is.And of course if I happen to opene3H, partner wouldnot raise with 2 Aces and a couple of tens.If for what ever reason you have different requirementsfor a 3H opening bid, than 3H would be fine. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter. One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?<snip> Yes, but than we only promise, that we go down at most 4at thosee colors.If you happen to play a style, which promises to go downat most 3 at those colors, you may or may not bid 3H. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dealer: South Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP ♠ 76 ♥ KQJ9853 ♦ QJ2 ♣ 2 What is your call? Is there game if partner has 2 aces and a couple of 10's?I think you have started asking yourself too many questions after you've got a bad result opening 4♥. Stop doing that, 4♥ is the percentage bid, stick to the plan :D. Bridge is a percentage game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I think you have started asking yourself too many questions after you've got a bad result opening 4♥. Stop doing that, 4♥ is the percentage bid, stick to the plan :D. Bridge is a percentage game.Well that begs the question, doesn't it? Would you raise 3♥ to 4 on [hv=s=s952h42dat96cat76]133|100|[/hv] After playing the original hand my vote was to open 1♥ (but see below) but what do I know? I prefer my 3-level preempts in majors to be really weak, and 4 level preempts to be really pure. Now all the answers are in, I can reveal that the majors were reversed (noone bit on Ben's question!!!!) because people here are very smart. The funny thing is that one pair got to 5♥X (the other way of course) and this hand led out its 2 aces for -850. In the hand I posed this means that the 4♥ preempt would lead to a contract of 4♠X and even with the club ruff it would get made. So think about that folks, does a 4-level opening actually push them too easily into making games? Turns out it doesn't make nearly as much difference as one might think because, the decision being so close, both 3♠+1 and 4♠= are reasonably middle-ish scores. What I found interesting was that at the table NOONE opened 4♠ but more than half of the 3♠ openers raised to 4. It seems like the panel may not represent real life, therefore. Maybe the panel's argument is that 4♥ (on the hand given) is a winning bid. By definition, a winning bid has to be something that does better than the field. Certainly the field is not bidding 4♥ (actually 4♠ but no matter). The 1 and 2 ♠ openers never made it to game. Top score was the lucky dudes who opened 3 ♠ and played there doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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