cherdano modifications to Woolsey

[helene_t]

Well if you don't want to bid the 5-4's then the frequency of the 2-suiters become quite low and it sounds like a good idea to allocate the more effective natural overcalls to the 1-suiters. OTOH if you do want to bid the 5-4's then I would prefer standard Woolsey. (Of course there is a gray zone in between where one bids some but not most 5-4's).

[rbforster]

Of course there is a gray zone in between where one bids some but not most 5-4's.

You mean a gray area where you bid some but not most 4-4's? ;) NV vs V over 1NT maybe?

[han]

Clearly NF vs NF is the situation where you'd most want to enter the auction Rob. And if I would come in with a 4-4 hand then I would sell it as a 4-card major plus 5+ minor instead of a 5-card major plus 4-card minor.

[PrecisionL]

Interesting, very interesting. :D

 

A NT defense should be able to show all of the one-suiters and perhaps 5 of the 6 two-suiters.

 

Woolsey isn't legal in ACBLand GCC, so I have been experimenting in local games with one that shows 9 of the 10 combinations:

 

X = Transfer to 2♣: 6♣, or majors (5-4+), or 4♠ + 5♣. After 2♣, transfer to 5M (or stronger M) with majors, 2♠ = 4♠ + 5♣

2♣ = Transfer to ♦: 6♦ or 2♥/2♠ = 5♦ + 4(5)M

2♦ = Transfer to ♥: 6♥

2♥ = Transfer to ♠: 6♠

2♠ = 5♠ + 4m

 

Larry

[glen]

... that shows 9 of the 10 combinations: ...

Isn't missing 5♥+4m and 4♥+5♣ missing 2 (or more) combos?

[PrecisionL]

... that shows 9 of the 10 combinations: ...

Isn't missing 5♥+4m and 4♥+5♣ missing 2 (or more) combos?

Well, not exactly. I edited the post for 5♦ & 4(5)M. That leaves ♥ & ♣ out, but that is the limitation of the method. Do you have a recommendation?

 

Maybe BROSS by Kleinman?

 

Larry

[Free]

Interesting, very interesting. :)

 

A NT defense should be able to show all of the one-suiters and perhaps 5 of the 6 two-suiters.

 

Woolsey isn't legal in ACBLand GCC, so I have been experimenting in local games with one that shows 9 of the 10 combinations:

 

X = Transfer to 2♣: 6♣, or majors (5-4+), or 4♠ + 5♣. After 2♣, transfer to 5M (or stronger M) with majors, 2♠ = 4♠ + 5♣

2♣ = Transfer to ♦: 6♦ or 2♥/2♠ = 5♦ + 4(5)M

2♦ = Transfer to ♥: 6♥

2♥ = Transfer to ♠: 6♠

2♠ = 5♠ + 4m

 

Larry

This is allowed, but Woolsey isn't? OMG! :(

 

Btw, I would rather change something:

2♦ = 6♠ or 5♥&4m

2♥ = natural

[glen]

... Do you have a recommendation?  Maybe BROSS by Kleinman?

You could play modified Meyerson (mM):

 

Double: Major/minor two suiter

--2♣: asks longest suit (pass with long ♣s)

--2♦: asks best major

--2♥/♠: to play

2♣: Both majors or ♣s (the lol adjustment, though they just alert it as majors and then ♣s get introduced later)

--Pass: either I have ♣s or I bet you do

--2♦: bid your best suit

--2♥/2♠/3♣: Pass or correct

--2NT: describe your hand, 3♦=weak, both majors, 3NT=♣s & extras

2♦/♥/♠: natural

 

This handles all combos, assuming 2NT=minors.

 

Personally I found it a bit frustrating playing the any M+m bid - I never knew how to evaluate the hand. And I don't like 2♦ natural - it gives either opener or responder a good chance to steer to a major suit contract if right. Thus I mixed everything up to produce ""Confuse a Cat" (Concat):

 

Double: ♠s & ♥s OR ♠s & ♣s OR long ♦s

--2♣: asks longest suit (pass with long ♣s & shorter ♠s)

--2♦/2♠/3♣/3♦: pass or correct

--2♥: to play, except overcaller to raise if ♠s & ♥s

2♣: ♥s & ♣s OR ♥s & ♦s or long ♣s

--Pass: either ♣s or betting overcaller has ♣s and/or opps have ♠ fit

--2♦/2♥/3♣/3♦: pass or correct

--2♠: to play

2♦: ♠s & ♦s

--2♥/2♠/3♣/3♦: to play

2♥/♠: natural

 

This is just like Kleinman's Super Natural after 20 adjustments.