pclayton Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=b&w=sakjxxhxdkxcqj98x&e=sqxxhxdt98xxcatxx]266|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] MPs, all vul: 1♠ (2♥) 2♠ (4♥)4♠ (5♥) pass (pass) Double AP Result: -850. The 5♥ bidder held: x AQJxxxx AJxx x Any thoughts here? Or is this just one of those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Sorry, I know I seem to say this in every thread that is like this, but I think that doubling with the west hand is beyond terrible. You cannot X them when you have no tricks and have no idea who's hand it is. Really, I don't understand peoples fixation with doubling them off with stuff like this. You can't even double a slam. Your 2S bidding partner provided an ace and they still made it! I wonder how many threads like this there have to be before people decide they need some tricks to double the opponents (not directed at anyone in particular, hopefully I do not sound hostile, I am just genuinely amazed that people consistently make these doubles). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I don't know why west doubled. If they are down it's a good score anyway, not that he has any real reason to think they are down. They don't bid 5♥ randomly, they do it for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Let's say we are all convinced about not doubling (perhaps always were). Do we bid on or pass? If a typical result for bidding on is +4 IMPS, is that enough to cover the risks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Agree, i wouldn't have doubled in IMP's, but in MP's double is normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Agree that W does not have a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Agree that W should just pass, not bid on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I wouldn't have doubled with the West hand, but looking at the two hands, wouldn't you want to have doubled 5♥? It's likely to be a common contract, and it's more likely to go down than not. North might have ♣Kx and be expecting the ace to be onside, or he might just be saving with a less extreme shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 They don't bid 5♥ randomly, they do it for a reason. Absolutely, they are vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Trust your vulnerable opponents. (joke! nobody flame me for saying this please!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I wouldn't have doubled with the West hand, but looking at the two hands, wouldn't you want to have doubled 5♥? It's likely to be a common contract, and it's more likely to go down than not. North might have ♣Kx and be expecting the ace to be onside, or he might just be saving with a less extreme shape. But some will be in 4♥ (just imagine North jumping to 4♥ rather than fooling around with 2♥). And the double wins nothing against the tables in 4♥ when it is right, but loses half a matchpoint when it is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Agree, i wouldn't have doubled in IMP's, but in MP's double is normal. Not so sure that is right. It is fairly normal MP strategy to either double or bid one more if you think you were definitely making the contract the opps have just out bid you for. That is on the grounds that other pairs may not have faced such fierce competition and now you have to risk everything as you're probably in for a poor MP score anyway if you don't act one way or the other. However, is it clear that 4♠ is a make on this auction? I'm not saying it was a bad bid or anything like that - but is it clear that the opps are simply raising to outbid our constructive contract - or are we doing it to them? I am not sure that it actually entirely clear in this case. In which case there is no imperative to double just to protect the score you would have got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 But some will be in 4♥ (just imagine North jumping to 4♥ rather than fooling around with 2♥). Would you leave them in 4♥ with the West hand? I know I'd double, but I suppose some people might pass it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Agree with the peanut gallery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=b&w=sakjxxhxdkxcqj98x&e=sqxxhxdt98xxcatxx]266|100|Scoring: MPMPs, all vul: 1♠ (2♥) 2♠ (4♥)4♠ (5♥) pass (pass) Double APResult: -850. The 5♥ bidder held: x AQJxxxx AJxx xAny thoughts here? Or is this just one of those things.[/hv]IMO _P = 10, _X = 8At the table, I might have doubled :) but not after reading JLall's condemnation :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Agree with all that Justin wrote, altho I might have used less powerful language... but, knowing me, probably not :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Agree with everything Justin said here. wtf double???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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