manudude03 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sahqtxxxdktxxxckx]133|100|Scoring: MP1♥-(P)-2♦-(2♠)3NT-(P)-???[/hv] Playing an Acol system, 4cM, 12-14 NT, 3 weak 2s. Sitting north on this hand, i bid 2♦ planning to show a delayed game raise. 2♠ on the left and partner to my surprise bid 3NT. How do we bid this now? Bonus question: I listed 4H as one of the options, what would you take it as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I would just bid 6H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Simplicity works. 6♥ gets a second vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 6♥. ACOL, right? Bid what you think you can make! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Deleted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Abstain. I would have made some sort of GF ♥ raise on the previous round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Abstain. I would have made some sort of GF ♥ raise on the previous round. Standard ACOL doesn't have a forcing raise, I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sahqtxxxdktxxxckx]133|100|Scoring: MP1♥-(P)-2♦-(2♠)3NT-(P)-???[/hv] Playing an Acol system, 4cM, 12-14 NT, 3 weak 2s. Sitting north on this hand, i bid 2♦ planning to show a delayed game raise. 2♠ on the left and partner to my surprise bid 3NT. How do we bid this now? Bonus question: I listed 4H as one of the options, what would you take it as? 4NT. I'd feel silly being at 6♥ down 2 aces. If partner doesn't take it as BW, well, I guess I'll apologize later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 4NT looks awfully quantitative to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjames Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 4NT looks awfully quantitative to me. Me too, 6♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 4NT looks awfully quantitative to me. I suppose I could bid 4♠ instead, but there are worse things than bidding 4NT and partner passing it. The way I'm used to playing Quant, partner passes with a poor hand and responds with aces with a good hand. We look to have fewer than 32HCP between us, and I just can't take the chance with 6♥, even with a 10 card fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 4NT looks 100% quant to me. 4♣ if its gerber. If not, either 4♠ or 6♥. Really would be kind of silly to be off 2 aces which is very plausible after partner shows spade values. However, getting passed (very likely) in 4NT when 6♥ makes is even more silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Take a blast at 6♥. I don't hate the 2♦ bid, but I would have splintered. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Take a blast at 6♥. I don't hate the 2♦ bid, but I would have splintered. Nick With regards to the splinter with a singleton ACE, all i can say is... well, the first word of the title of this thread says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Fewer than 32 HCP, I'd just bid 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Take a blast at 6♥. I don't hate the 2♦ bid, but I would have splintered. Nick With regards to the splinter with a singleton ACE, all i can say is... well, the first word of the title of this thread says it all. Er, thanks :) I'm not sure I exactly like 3S with a singleton ace either, but we'd be in no worse shape than having to blast 6H now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 This is so obviously a Gerber sequence. :) :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 6♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Fewer than 32 HCP, I'd just bid 4H. It was Acol, Han. That means you need two points less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 4NT. Cannot be quantitative as the 3NT bid does not have a definite point range. Hate the 2D bid too, but I can't vote twice. Many moons ago I played 5 card major acol, but I always had a game forcing trump support bid. 2NT natural is not really needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 4NT is 100% quantitative to me. I really dislike the start here - how can we be lacking a GF raise? 4m would be natural and slammish, 4♥ a delayed 3-card raise. Partner might go on over that, but that's odds off. The only real alternatives for me are 5♥ and 6♥. At the table I'm pretty sure I'd chose the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 4NT is 100% quantitative to me. I really dislike the start here - how can we be lacking a GF raise? Just seems backward to me. If I don't have a GF raise, of course 4NT should be BW and not quantitative. These answers just feel like "Well, I don't play precision, so I'm going to answer like all the previous bids were Standard American". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 4NT is 100% quantitative to me. I really dislike the start here - how can we be lacking a GF raise? Just seems backward to me. If I don't have a GF raise, of course 4NT should be BW and not quantitative. These answers just feel like "Well, I don't play precision, so I'm going to answer like all the previous bids were Standard American". ????4NT quantitative is still more useful than Blackwood or KC for hearts even if I lack a GF raise. Even if not having a forcing raise is stone age, the rest of our methods shouldn't be stone age too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Just seems backward to me. If I don't have a GF raise, of course 4NT should be BW and not quantitative. These answers just feel like "Well, I don't play precision, so I'm going to answer like all the previous bids were Standard American". Well, it is sometimes said that Americans suffer from the "not invented here syndrome" - possibly with some justification. However, that doesn't mean to say that us Brits/Acol players are immune. I play 2N as GF over 1M even though I put "Acol(ish)" on my card - I recommend other Acolites consider it too. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=b&n=sahqtxxxdktxxxckx&s=sqjxhakxxdaxcqjtx]133|200|Scoring: MP1♥-(P)-2♦-2♠3NT-(P)-6♥-AP[/hv] I eventually bid 6♥ which seemed to surprise the opps.Trumps broke 4-0 thankfully onside, so partner managed to scramble to 12 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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