TylerE Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 1NT 15-17 p-p-p in you, White v Red at MP ♠AJ2 ♥T94 ♦AT97 ♣AJ6 EDIT: Sorry, AT97 of ♦, not KT97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) Is this a trick question? 1♦ (After the edit) OK, probably I still open 1♦, but 1NT is also reasonable. Edited June 9, 2008 by 655321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 1d in fourth seat np yet.edit...still 1D in fourth seat np yet. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Original post edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Am I supposed to be tempted to open 1N with a 4333 14 count with two jacks? 1♦ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 1d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 1♦ totally obv. I am all for tactical NT bids, but this doesn't qualify. I am not unhappy at all if the opponents declare (especially when they are red), and my hand sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Am I supposed to be tempted to open 1N with a 4333 14 count with two jacks? It also has three aces and two 109s. I'd probably upgrade this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Am I supposed to be tempted to open 1N with a 4333 14 count with two jacks? It also has three aces and two 109s. I'd probably upgrade this. no upgrade for flat 4333 for me. 1D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 1♦ with a WTP for this flat hand ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Obvious 1♦. But, I play 14-16 in this seat and would open 1NT myself. I like the lower range here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 This would be my least favorite seat to upgrade this hand. The risk of it leading to a minus by partner overbidding is too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I'd try a 15-17 1N with it. If you concede that Aces are undervalued and tens and nines are of some limited use even though they count for nothing, then just how many do you have to add before upgrading. I think this one qualifies - just. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Just a thought from the peanut gallery: I think that if one of the red tens was a black instead it might be more worthy of an upgrade, say AJ10 942 A1097 AJ6 - same pips, same distribution. I would open that hand 1NT under the given conditions, but I don't think the OP hand is worth 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 1NT 15-17p-p-p in you, White v Red at MP♠AJ2 ♥T94 ♦AT97 ♣AJ6IMO 1♦ = 10, 1N = 9.You have no 4 card major; the aces tens and nines are good; but the shape is dull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 1NT totally obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 1♣ for me. (1♦ with a pick-up.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I don't feel strongly between 1♦ and 1♣, but 1NT is a gross misevaluation of this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Definitely not 1NT for me, not even close with 4333. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I don't feel strongly between 1♦ and 1♣, but 1NT is a gross misevaluation of this hand. I agree with nearly all of this post, just remove the word "gross". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I found these two forum discussions convincing. :) "I don't feel strongly between 1♦ and 1♣, but 1NT is a gross misevaluation of this hand." "Definitely 1NT for me, not even close with 4333." :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I found these two forum discussions convincing. :) "I don't feel strongly between 1♦ and 1♣, but 1NT is a gross misevaluation of this hand." "Definitely 1NT for me, not even close with 4333." :) edited my post. Meant definitely not 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpleboi Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 1♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Since I seem to be alone in believing that 1NT is the right opening bid and opening 1D and rebidding notrump a clear underbid, I did a simulation (1000 deals). I specified for partner a balanced hand with exactly 10 HCP. This should be a fair test. If you open 1NT you will play 3NT while if you open 1D and rebid 1NT you are likely to miss game. I also specified that partner will have at most 4 cards in a major. Result: Double dummy 3NT would make in 592 cases and fail in 408 cases. The average number of tricks available for declarer in a notrump contract was 8.7 tricksSince double dummy analysis clearly favors the defense the result at the table would be even more in favor of 3NT making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Since I seem to be alone in believing that 1NT is the right opening bid and opening 1D and rebidding notrump a clear underbid, I did a simulation (1000 deals). I specified for partner a balanced hand with exactly 10 HCP. This should be a fair test. If you open 1NT you will play 3NT while if you open 1D and rebid 1NT you are likely to miss game. I also specified that partner will have at most 4 cards in a major. Result: Double dummy 3NT would make in 592 cases and fail in 408 cases. The average number of tricks available for declarer in a notrump contract was 8.7 tricksThank you rhm :) Chastening but interesting that most of us can be so wrong ;)Since double dummy analysis clearly favors the defense the result at the table would be even more in favor of 3NT making.Intuitively that conjecture seem reasonable. Any experimental data to back it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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