What to do?

[Guest Jlall]

Vilgan, if you are not able to read your partner who comfortable he is with his bid, you don't play with him enough- or just online or with screens.

 

And if you read your partner and have a feeling that his bid might be a little bid of a strech and you pass or you bid on because his 2 ♠ came like a bullet out of a pistol, then this is unethical.

 

Of course, if you always pass with this hand after 2 Spade from partner, everything is fine. But I doubt that you do this.

If I were Vilgan, I'd find this rather offensive.

I am going to guess that you are also ignorant, idiotic, and rude in your native language too.

Interesting that you did not find this offensive enough to make a comment. B)

I would think that most people would be about 10x more offended by having their ethics questioned than being called idiots, but that's me.

[helene_t]

I was born in 1966, too, and have no problems commenting on books I haven't read. In fact being a non-native English speaker makes it easier since people will assume that inaccurate quotes come from the translation.

[gnasher]

Interesting that you did not find this offensive enough to make a comment. :)

I didn't say I found it offensive; I said I'd find it offensive if it were addressed to me.

 

I comment on what interests me, and not on what doesn't. What Justin said didn't have enough to do with bridge to interest me. Anyway, it would have been fatuous to point out that Justin's words were likely to give offence, as that was presumably what he intended when he typed them.

[ulven]

David Treadwell, who was born in 1912!

Great to read that David is going strong. Played on a 4-handed team with him in the NA Swiss at the Phoenix 2002 NABC. What a funny and energetic man!

 

I agree with pretty much everything Justin has written here, only difference is that I would actually pass 2S. Probably shouldn't when playing with someone from ACBL-land though.

 

The style over here is to open a strong 2C with many more hands than over in NA, especially with 2-suiters with few losers. Although technically gameforcing, the norm is to do is anyway since partner often has something (statistically). This will get you overboard at times but makes some auctions easier and avoids silly jumpshifts into non-suits.

 

So, while you can still construct a hand that could make game in this approach, I think the odds favor pass. Even if you can make a game you might not reach a making one if you bid.

 

 

Edit: When I say I agree with Justin I meant his comments regarding the auction ;-)

[kenrexford]

I would think that most people would be about 10x more offended by having their ethics questioned than being called idiots, but that's me.

A friend of mine years ago played with a guy who tanked with xxx in one suit as his last three cards when declarer had to decide whether to pop the King or duck into what would obviously be a stiff Ace now. He explained to the TD that he was deciding which suit he preferred in this obvious suit preference situation. He wanted to appeal. My friend asked him whether he wanted to committee, for $50, to decide that he was an idiot or a cheat. He opted to withdraw the appeal.

 

Neither option is great. I agree, though, that I would argue idiot any day.

[Codo]

Vilgan, if you are not able to read your partner who comfortable he is with his bid, you don't play with him enough- or just online or with screens.

 

And if you read your partner and have a feeling that his bid might be a little bid of a strech and you pass or you bid on because his 2 ♠ came like a bullet out of a pistol, then this is unethical.

 

Of course, if you always pass with this hand after 2 Spade from partner, everything is fine. But I doubt that you do this.

If I were Vilgan, I'd find this rather offensive.

After reading this I realiszed that the combination of "Vilgan" and "you" gave my text a very wrong picture.

 

So sorry Vilgan, it was in no way intended as an offense against you.

 

I just tried (and failed) to pointed out why I share Rosenbergs view that passing a forcing bid could be easily done because of unethical reasons.

 

Of course I had no intention to blame you for doing so. So please excuse my bad wording.