jdonn Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 QJT5 Q86 85 KQT3, w/w, imps, second seat P P 2♠ XP ? 2NT would be leb so realistically it's pass, 3♣ (promising values like 8+), or 3NT. Which do you choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Relay and bid 3NT. Am I missing something here? Yes it's then, but hey? 2nd Choice: Pass and hope partner isn't joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 QJT5 Q86 85 KQT3, w/w, imps, second seat(_P) _P (2♠) _X(_P) ??2NT would be leb so realistically it's pass, 3♣ (promising values like 8+), or 3NT. Which do you choose?IMO _P = 10, 3♣ = 9, 3N = 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Relay and bid 3NT. Am I missing something here? Yes it's then, but hey? 2nd Choice: Pass and hope partner isn't joking. If partner is joking 3N will be a long miserable grind. I'm passing. If I bid its 3♣, not x than 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I would wtp pass this one. It could make but I think even at imps it's gotta be percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Yeah, pass seems right. 2♠ in third seat has to be pounded from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I bid 3NT. Why would partner be joking? Even if the opening 2♠ bid is "light," that doesn't mean it won't make a lot of times when partner is NOT joking. 2♠x could look very silly if partner has long clubs and a reasonable hand without a lot of cashing tricks. 3NT will make most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Flat 10-Count" Maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I have a 10-count with four clubs, and my system includes a bid to show a 10-count with four clubs. I'll do that. Pass is too scary for me, especially as I have a reasonable alternative. 3NT is just an overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 3NT is really not an option, close between pass and 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I have a 10-count with four clubs, and my system includes a bid to show a 10-count with four clubs. I'll do that. Pass is too scary for me, especially as I have a reasonable alternative. 3NT is just an overbid. dude you're from england, third seat 2S is like K fifth lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Pass. 100% clear at MPs, close to that at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I really thought this was a wtp pass, but it was a sanity check since both tables in the Cayne match bid 3NT. 3NT makes easily but pass gets 800, partner has K AKJx AKJxx xxx I believe. Obv he could have less and you wouldn't get 800, but too much less and 3NT won't make anyway. I still think wtp pass and both tables were nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulven Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I still think wtp pass and both tables were nuts. Agree. Who were the players that bid 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 dude you're from england, third seat 2S is like K fifth lol A third-seat weak two tends to be played as wide-range rather than always weak. I agree though, that pass becomes more attractive the lower RHO's lower limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I disagree with the bidding 3♣. It looks likely we have the points to be in game (or close to it). If I pass, there is a good chance we are beating it 2 for 300. 3♣ imo is the worst of the 3 options, what is partner supposed to do from there? We are the ones w/ the spade stopper. RHO will have short spades behind partner (making our spade length/honors suck). We have no shortness that suggests 5♣ is a non suck contract. IMO pass is better at imps, but 3NT is the only other option that I think is even on the table. Just because a bid is part of a system, does not mean one should stop exercising judgment about what will happen next. I think people develop a fear of doubling 2 of a major at imps, because it has gone wrong in the past and been a huge disaster. I don't think the people in this match are likely at a level where that would effect them, but lower level I see a lot of irrational fear of X'ing 2 of a major for penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 3♣ imo is the worst of the 3 options, what is partner supposed to do from there?If he has a hand where he thinks game is on, I expect that he'll bid 3♠ and I'll bid 3NT. Otherwise he'll probably pass and we'll probably make it. I think people develop a fear of doubling 2 of a major at imps, because it has gone wrong in the past and been a huge disaster. I don't think the people in this match are likely at a level where that would effect them, but lower level I see a lot of irrational fear of X'ing 2 of a major for penalty.The downside of passing isn't only that they might make. Sometimes you will have a game on but get only +100 or +300 from 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I would also have passed here and think it a better bet than trying 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 3♣ imo is the worst of the 3 options, what is partner supposed to do from there?If he has a hand where he thinks game is on, I expect that he'll bid 3♠ and I'll bid 3NT. Otherwise he'll probably pass and we'll probably make it. And partner is supposed to just assume that we have an absolute tip top maximum pass, and a double spade stop? If we need to have the world's fair for 3NT to be right, frequently partner will just stop in 3♣. So when we DO have the world's fair (relatively speaking), then we need to take an action that will result in more than 110/130. There is a huge difference between 3♣: "yes partner I have stuff" and the hand given. Yes there are hands that 3♣ will make that 3NT will go down, which is why I think pass is the best bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 There is a huge difference between 3♣: "yes partner I have stuff" and the hand given. Perhaps as you play it. For me, this isn't far from a minimum 3♣ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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