Interesting Sequence, But Now What?

[kenrexford]

The actual hand you will hold is not described yet.

 

Partner opens, fourth seat, 1♥. You respond 1♠. The opponents are silent throughout, BTW. Partner rebids 2♣. You raise to 3♣. Partner bids 4♦.

 

P-P-P-1♥

P-1♠-P-2♣

P-3♣-P-4♦

P-?

 

So, imagine the following features to your possible hand at this point, contextually speaking.

 

♠: You will hold 4-5 spades. You might have the King of spades.

♥: You will likely hold 0-2. You may or may not have the King or Queen of hearts.

♦: Your diamond holding is unlimited.

♣: You will likely have 4 or 5 clubs, with or without the Ace.

 

Assume these general parameters. What is going on? What might partner have? What hand can you not have within these parameters (other than the obvious -- something with which you'f open), because it is either too weak or too strong for 3♣ at that point.

 

Having addressed all of this, what would you expect to be the meaning or reason or offer of message or whatever to 4♥, 4♠, 4NT, 5♣, or any other pass or call?

[skjaeran]

I expect partner to be 2-5-0-5 or something like that, with a hand not strong enough to make a GF 3♣ jump the previous round. After I supported clubs his hand is much better.

 

4♥= Hx

4♠=A/K or better

4NT= RKCB for clubs

5♣= sign off, minimum and no slam aspirations

 

I consider 4♦ forcing to at least 5♣.

[Guest Jlall]

I expect partner to be 2-5-0-5 or something like that

I bet he's not!

[mike777]

The actual hand you will hold is not described yet.

 

Partner opens, fourth seat, 1♥. You respond 1♠. The opponents are silent throughout, BTW. Partner rebids 2♣. You raise to 3♣. Partner bids 4♦.

 

P-P-P-1♥

P-1♠-P-2♣

P-3♣-P-4♦

P-?

 

So, imagine the following features to your possible hand at this point, contextually speaking.

 

♠: You will hold 4-5 spades. You might have the King of spades.

♥: You will likely hold 0-2. You may or may not have the King or Queen of hearts.

♦: Your diamond holding is unlimited.

♣: You will likely have 4 or 5 clubs, with or without the Ace.

 

Assume these general parameters. What is going on? What might partner have? What hand can you not have within these parameters (other than the obvious -- something with which you'f open), because it is either too weak or too strong for 3♣ at that point.

 

Having addressed all of this, what would you expect to be the meaning or reason or offer of message or whatever to 4♥, 4♠, 4NT, 5♣, or any other pass or call?

1) assuming any established partnership.....4d will be rkc for clubs..

2) assuming any pick up....expert ...no agreements partnership......I have real doubts i can stop below 6c.

[gnasher]

I expect he's 2515, 2605 or (yuck) 2506.

 

4♦ sets clubs as trumps, so (rarely for me) I think 4♥ is a cuebid rather than a possible contract. Given how many trumps we have, I think it OK for responder to do this with a singleton.

 

4♠ would also be a cuebid, showing either the ace or the king, and 4NT would be RKCB.

[benlessard]

For me its exclusion keycard.

[kenrexford]

I left one thing out. 4♦ is definitely a splinter, because we use the cheapest out-of-focus major as RKCB.

 

That said, I'm not sure that this is a RKCB auction anyway. But, I was also curious whether people would view this as a RKCB sequence or a cue sequence in the follow-up.

[benlessard]

With a stiff diamond and 2 or 3s i would bid 3S, with a stiff S and 2 or 3D i would bid 3D. So jump is showing a void for me.

[jtfanclub]

With a stiff diamond and 2 or 3s i would bid 3S, with a stiff S and 2 or 3D i would bid 3D. So jump is showing a void for me.

God, I hope that's standard.

[Finch]

I left one thing out. 4♦ is definitely a splinter, because we use the cheapest out-of-focus major as RKCB.

 

That said, I'm not sure that this is a RKCB auction anyway. But, I was also curious whether people would view this as a RKCB sequence or a cue sequence in the follow-up.

Well, I wouldn't because I

i) in general don't play exclusion*

ii) don't play RKCB at all when a minor has been agreed

 

*I really have never seen the point of playing exclusion. Which is more likely:

1. You want to show a void in a suit and ask partner if he has a suitable hand for slam

2. All you want to know is partner's keycards outside one particular suit

[gnasher]

Another benefit to Exclusion is that you can bid it instead of 4NT with Ax or Axx, thereby discouraging a threatening lead.

[benlessard]

*I really have never seen the point of playing exclusion. Which is more likely:

1. You want to show a void in a suit and ask partner if he has a suitable hand for slam

2. All you want to know is partner's keycards outside one particular suit

Both of them.

 

After most of the responses over 4D exclusion you can still make a general slam try. IMO most cuebidding sequence lead nowhere when you have a void.

 

God, I hope that's standard.

Not really most here will think that 4D is a splinter because they dont like to bid 3S with only 2 cards.

[Sambolino]

"pard, bid 6 if you got nothing in spades"