reverse drury

[mike777]

Ok you agree to play reverse drury with a pick up p...

 

1) What is reverse drury

2) What are two level bids

3) What are jumps to 3 level bids

 

this is BIL

[Guest Jlall]

Reverse drury means that a 2C bid shows a limit raise. Over that opener bids 2D with a normal opener, or rebids his major with no game interest, or makes some other bid to try for game/slam.

 

Reverse drury has nothing to do with what 3 level bids mean, or what other 2 level bids mean.

[rogerclee]

The "reverse" part of the Drury agreement comes from the fact that Drury, when it was invented, initially had 2♦ show the sub-minimum hand and 2M show the full opener. Reversing these two, which makes way more sense, later became adopted as standard.

[TylerE]

I'm not even sure that at BI level I'd trust 2♦.

 

I'd expect the following agreements:

 

2M = Don't want to be in game opposite a limit raise.

Anything Else = At least game interest.

 

Would assume new suits are game trys, but wouldn't bet money on it.

[rbforster]

I think the most common disagreement in playing reverse drury is

 

P-1♠-2♣*-2♥

 

and whether this shows a good hand with hearts or a really bad hand with hearts. Myself I play that the only weak rebid by opener is 2 of his major (not 2♥ if he opened spades), but some like it the other way.

[pclayton]

I think one of the questions Mike is asking is how do you show clubs when playing RD.

 

In some partnerships, we play 2N = 9-11 with usually 6♣'s. You can also play 3♣ to show clubs, but this requires you play 2N to show a FJ in clubs.

 

Re: RD, Matt and I play that 1M - 2♣ - 2♦ simply shows a hand good enough to make a game try opposite a limit raise, but it could be stronger if there isn't an obvious slam try available.

 

I like to play over 2♦ (by responder) 2M = minimum balanced 3 card raise, 3x = shortness, 3M = minimum balanced 4 card raise, 4x = 4 trump and shortness.

 

1M - 2♣ - 3x should be a slam try and show a 2nd suit.

 

1♠ - 2♣ - 2♥ should be 4 hearts and a full opener looking for a 4-4 fit.

[han]

I don't have a way to show clubs after a 3rd seat 1M opener. I know that one day I'm going to regret this. Well, maybe I will.

[blackshoe]

If I remember correctly, Max Hardy suggested that 3♣ shows clubs and 2NT shows 5-5 in the minors. I don't think he had a fit jump in there at that level.

[mike777]

When I said 3 level bids and 2 level bids I meant in response to rev drury so:

 

Pass=1 Major

2clubs=all 2 level or 3 level rebids.

 

I am finding people jumping to the 3 level with full (14-15 hcp) but ordinary opening bids rather than making a simple new suit rebid and they claim this is standard rev drury.

[blackshoe]

When I said 3 level bids and 2 level bids I meant in response to rev drury so:

 

Pass=1 Major

2clubs=all 2 level or 3 level rebids.

 

I am finding people jumping to the 3 level with full (14-15 hcp) but ordinary opening bids rather than making a simple new suit rebid and they claim this is standard rev drury.

For many, the definition of "standard" is "the way I play it". When you point out they're in a small minority, they nod, and go on believing that whatever they play must be "standard".

[ArtK78]

When I said 3 level bids and 2 level bids I meant in response to rev drury so:

 

Pass=1 Major

2clubs=all 2 level or 3 level rebids.

 

I am finding people jumping to the 3 level with full (14-15 hcp) but ordinary opening bids rather than making a simple new suit rebid and they claim this is standard rev drury.

With a full opening (as you say, 14-15 HCP), why wouldn't they just bid game? Partner is a passed hand, and you have a major suit fit. What are you looking for?

[mike777]

When I said 3 level bids and 2 level  bids I meant in response to rev drury so:

 

Pass=1 Major

2clubs=all 2 level or 3 level rebids.

 

I am finding people jumping to the 3 level with full (14-15 hcp) but ordinary opening bids rather than making a simple new suit rebid and they claim this is standard rev drury.

With a full opening (as you say, 14-15 HCP), why wouldn't they just bid game? Partner is a passed hand, and you have a major suit fit. What are you looking for?

I play reverse drury along with super sound opening bids in these partnerships. Spelled out on the CC. Different systems or styles in different partnerships.

 

Slam is very possible but I agree if you open 11 very often this is not an issue.

[han]

If you play an unusual system then perhaps this is the wrong forum. I recommend "non-natural system discussion" or "watercooler".

[Infidel]

The reason for playing any sort of Drury is to enable 3rd hand to make truly scary opening bids of 1M, with an eye toward giving problems to 4th hand, who likely has the best hand at the table. Third hand can open a dog like ♠KJxx ♥xxx ♦QJxx ♣Qx, secure in the knowledge partner can't bury him, due to systemic constraints.

 

A passed hand responder is limited to 3 bids: 2S with trump support and less than a limit raise; 2c with trump support and a limit raise; and 1NT with anything else. Even if opener has hit 5-card Spade support, responder has to take into account the sort of trash that might be opened in 3rd hand, and take no action that might get the partnership overboard.

 

If and only if opener has a "real" opener, he will bid again over 1NT/2S; over 2c, he has a clear picture of responder's hand and can bid game, make a game or slam try, etc., just as if he'd heard a normal limit raise...BUT he can also sign off at the 2-level, having successfully found a fit and taken up some of the opponents' bidding room.

 

I'll toss in one additional strongly-held opinion: Drury should be played only after a 3rd-hand opener, not a 4th-hand opener; The 4th hand opener is considered to be a full opener, and whatever normal system is used after a 1st-hand opening is appropriate, except that a 1N response may be passed by a balanced minimum hand. Sub-minimums should not be opened in 4th seat.

[mike777]

"A passed hand responder is limited to 3 bids: 2S with trump support and less than a limit raise; 2c with trump support and a limit raise; and 1NT with anything else."

 

1) Let me see if I understand this given BIL, a passed hand can never bid a natural 2 over 1?

2) Given BIL, what is the best hand(examples are very helpful) I can have as a passed hand?

3) These are sincere questions. In fact very sincere, I would love to hear more on these points, ty.