PedroG Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Hi All, Playing SAYC with a pickup partner... [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sat876hkq8dak7cj4]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♠-P-2NT-P?[/hv] What should be the correct rebid, how much is this hand worth (17 / 18)? Ty allPedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I think this is an above-average 17. 3NT is the normal bid to show this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I think this is an above-average 17. 3NT is the normal bid to show this hand. Would you consider upgrading to show a 3♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I think this is an above-average 17. 3NT is the normal bid to show this hand. Would you consider upgrading to show a 3♠? 3♠ shows a good hand with extra trump length but no shortness (or improvising with 18-19 balanced, but anyway, I do not think this hand is good enough). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 ty a lot :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I don't know standard Jacoby well but what rogerclee says is new to me. I thought 3S > 3NT > 4S, I didn't think they showed different kinds of hands. I would have opened 1NT with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I would have opened 1NT with this hand. Hi Han, I totally agree with you, I would have open this hand 1NT it seems the way the get less fuss on the rebids... Pedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I don't know standard Jacoby well but what rogerclee says is new to me. I thought 3S > 3NT > 4S, I didn't think they showed different kinds of hands. I would have opened 1NT with this hand. I thought 3N>3S>4S heh. I also don't know std jacoby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 And I thought 3♠ shows a hand with 16+ hcp and no shortage. Is there a thing such as Standard Jacoby I wonder. At least there seems to be lots of variations. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Not sure if standard, but at least what is in the ACBL SAYC notes... * If responder jumps to 2NT over a 1♥ or 1♠ opening, that is Jacoby 2NT, asking opener to show a singleton or void. If opener has no short suit, he shows his hand strength; 1♥ — 2NT 3♣, 3♦, 3♠ = singleton or void in that suit. Other bids deny a short suit.4♥ = minimum hand.3NT = medium hand (15–17).3♥ = maximum hand (18+)4♣, 4♦ = 2nd suit Pedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 If we decided the hand was too strong to open 1NT, then in your system I would now bid 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Not sure if standard, but at least what is in the ACBL SAYC notes... * If responder jumps to 2NT over a 1♥ or 1♠ opening, that is Jacoby 2NT, asking opener to show a singleton or void. If opener has no short suit, he shows his hand strength; 1♥ — 2NT 3♣, 3♦, 3♠ = singleton or void in that suit. Other bids deny a short suit.4♥ = minimum hand.3NT = medium hand (15–17).3♥ = maximum hand (18+)4♣, 4♦ = 2nd suit Pedro Interesting to find out that I have been playing a nonstandard version of Jacoby 2N all this time, which I thought was standard :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Hi from BWS 2001... After a two-notrump forcing raise: a simple new-suit bid shows shortness, a new-suit jump shows a two-suiter, and the three other game-and-below bids (simple same-suit rebid, three notrump, jump same-suit rebid), herein called TOBs, deny the requirements for any new-suit bid. The TOBs are graded from strongest to weakest (cheapest bid is strongest). Seems to be in the same wave than the SAYC Notes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 This is news to me. I always thought that a rebid of 3 of the major and 3NT were both strong but showed different types of hands, not different strength hands. 3NT indicated a lot of honor cards outside of the trump suit and a rebid of 3 of the major suit showed a strong suit with fewer honors outside. I will have to discuss this with my various partners to see what their understanding is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I was first taught, 4M=11-12, 3NT=13-15, 3M=16+ all with no shortages. So I will now bid 3S =). I would also open this 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 1♥ — 2NT 3♣, 3♦, 3♠ = singleton or void in that suit. Other bids deny a short suit.4♥ = minimum hand.3NT = medium hand (15–17).3♥ = maximum hand (18+)4♣, 4♦ = 2nd suit That is the way I learned it. I'm going to treat this as a maximum (3♠). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 If you are in a pick-up partnership, and you do not know which way partner plays, and it is a close call anyway, use the cheapest option. Here, that is 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 This is a routine 17 count due to the Jx of ♣ so take your choice of 3♠ or 3NT depending on your range for them. If PD Q's 4♣ you'll be happy to cooperate with 4♦, IMO. If he can't show you a ♣ control, you can rest safely in 4♠. ... neilkaz ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 If you are in a pick-up partnership, and you do not know which way partner plays, and it is a close call anyway, use the cheapest option. The exact same thing holds true at 2:00 a.m. in a bar, drunk, with a strange women who looks like she might have 5 o'clock shadow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Haha wow and I thought what roger did, that 3♠ showed extra trump length and 3NT showed balanced, both with extras and no shortness. I am not the least bit put off by learning that I didn't know the standard responses to jacoby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 If you are in a pick-up partnership, and you do not know which way partner plays, and it is a close call anyway, use the cheapest option. The exact same thing holds true at 2:00 a.m. in a bar, drunk, with a strange women who looks like she might have 5 o'clock shadow.... roflol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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