jillybean Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A5432 ♥ AT3 ♦ AQ ♣ K86 West North East South Pass 3♥ Pass ? Youre not sure of partners 2nd seat preempts, could be a little aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I would bid 3N, but I consider think 4H is reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 4♥ for me. 3NT will have 9 top tricks if partner has 7 hearts and the hearts are running, but won't be so good when they lead partner's black suit singleton and the hearts don't run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjames Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 4♥ opposite random partner with no agreements about the opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I would bid 4♥. This seems to be a slightly safer contract to me than 3NT, with both well within the 90+% range of making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 4H, but 3NT is certainly better, as longas partner knows how a 3H bid in 2ndseat at equal vulnerability looks like. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 You just got a perfect description of partners hand, you should feel lucky and not preempted.Since your partner does not have A or T in ♥, holding 2 of the top 3 honors or 3 of the top 5 includes ♥K and ♥Q. Even if he only holds 7 small cards you will make 6 tricks if they are not 3-0.So you know that your side has 6-7♥, a ♠, a ♦ and usually a ♣ leading to 9-10 tricks for your side. Your partner should not hold 2 side tricks so there's no need to investigate slam.So pick a game between 3NT or 4♥. If your partner is half way reasonable 3NT is the better pick because it makes at 9 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Definitely 4♥. I don't see much merit to 3NT to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Definitely 4♥. I don't see much merit to 3NT to be honest. You cannot think of any layouts where 3N makes and 4H goes down? lol? Try realllly hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I think it's close between 3NT and 4H. What I'd like to bid is a 'slow' 3NT meaning 'pass this if you have a normal second seat pre-empt but pull to 4H if you don't' but unfortunately that's not a legal bid; partner is expected to pass 3NT whatever his hand is. Yes, if partner has a classical second seat pre-empt such as xKQJxxxxxxxJx then clearly 3NT is the right spot But sometimes partners get imaginative. What would your partner open on xQJ9xxxxxJxxx or xQJ9xxxxxQxxx ? 3NT is definitely right opposite a vul 3H bidIf you are fairly disciplined with your pre-empts, probably it's right anyway. But it's not obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I think it's close between 3NT and 4H. What I'd like to bid is a 'slow' 3NT meaning 'pass this if you have a normal second seat pre-empt but pull to 4H if you don't' but unfortunately that's not a legal bid; partner is expected to pass 3NT whatever his hand is.This is not necessary, if partner has his bid he can pass, if he hasxQJ9xxxxxJxxx or xQJ9xxxxxQxxxit's his turn to pull 3NT to 4♥ as obviously we will have ♥ to reach his long suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I know people who will be happy when 3 Heart makes with this dummy, but this is not the norm. However my limits for preempts seem to be much different from the limits of the 3 NT bidders. So this a wtp 4 Herart bid opposite myself. I will open all hands from Frances as a w/w preempt so 4 Heart shall makes more often then 3 NT. And I would hate any partner who pulls my 3 NT bid. I may have bid it with Axx,void,Axx, AKQJxxx, so he is required to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I think 3NT is a no brainer and that 4H could fail when I have 9 cold tricks for 3N. Why do I want to risk a lead through my KC when I can count 9 tricks? If partner is the sort who can have 7 hopless cards for the 3H bid I might still be thinking. Not my style to just open any random 3 bids and prefer the idea that 3 bids in 1st and 2nd are a fast way to reach 3N. Give partner the old death wish 7-2-2-2 KQ or KJ 7th and the only spot that is sound is 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 It's either 3NT or 4H. If I don't know what partner's preempt style are like, then I opt for 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Katherine, you're not preempted here as PD has given you a decent description of his hand. You have to bid game and either game should be a big favorite to make. I slightly prefer 3NT to 4♥ since my 2nd seat preempts are usually somewhat disciplined and by declaring I have less fear of a minor suit lead and expect to make 9 tricks very often. Also, if I opened 3♥ with the 8 bagger QJ9xxxxx with no outside help for a trick,(Francis' example 1) I am pulling 3NT to 4♥. This won't always be right, of course, but my hand is often useless for PD outside of ♥ and 4♥ often makes. However, if I have anything except a very ususual 3♥ opener (ie 8 card weak ♥ suit and no outside entry) I have to pass 3NT..ie 98% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Its really too close to call. If pard has the ♥K and 7, 3N is a near-lock. If pard is missing the K then 4♥ is probably better. I wouldn't worry too much about this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I would bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 i vote for 4H. both 3N and 4H will make if partner has a sound 3H bid. but if partner took liberties with the heart suit, hearts will play better. Also, if partner took huge liberty with heart suit, 3N gets killed whereas 4H is down only 1 or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Andy said it. Much depends on how you play the preempt. I would feel really hemmed in if I had to have 2 of the top 3 honours : I would prefer my partners to bid 4♥ on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=s76hkq96542d6ca92&w=skqj9h87dkjt3cjt4&e=st8hjd987542cq753&s=sa5432hat3daqck86]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South Pass 3♥ Pass 4♥ Pass Pass Pass Thanks for the replies, here's the full hand we played 4♥+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 should make 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Thanks for the replies, here's the full hand we played 4♥+1 Seems like plus 2 should be the result....What was the defense? Something like this wins 12 tricks (set up long spade)....Say !D. win ACESpade ACE,Lose Spade,Ruff Diamond (save heart 2)Heart to JACK ACERuff spade with KINGheart to TEN (save heart 2)Ruff spade -- setting up the 13th spade... Win 1D, 7H, 2C, 2S.... As for the preemptive 3♥ bid, well... I think it is a 4♥/1♥ hand (imho), or a namyats if you play that. That is, it is a too strong for a not vulnerable 3♥ opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 4♥+1 is the worst conceivable end result. 3NT makes five easily. 4♥ makes six. 6♥ makes six... Well, you beat 6NT people. Actually, that's a tough one. Some 6NT people will make on a pseudo-squeeze. I have not looked at this enough, but there may be some way to actually bring in 6NT. Any not-so-easy squeezie people out there?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Probably they just finessed the diamond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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