cherdano Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 You are dealer at IMPS red vs white, and hold KJTx T9 AQx JTxx. Well, so you don't usually open balanced 11 counts in your partnership, and pass.LHO opens a weak NT, and RHO bids 2♥ to play. Do you double for takeout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 i double, but i might change my mind tomorrow :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Double. I can't have a more suitable hand in context. For all I know, we could still have a game on. Partner should not double 1NT with a random, balanced 14 or 15 count. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Have to double this one, we could too easily get stolen from and there could also be a double partscore swing. If I were not a passed hand I would be in doubt, but not as a passed hand. Hopefully 2N from p is scrambling and not Lebensohl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Double has so many more ways to win than pass that I think it is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 All day every day, we are even a passed hand so partner won't overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Pass. But it depends on the method we are playing against a weak NT. In my partnership partner would be able to go in with most suitable 2-suiters, even with modeststrength, he did not go in, so he does not holdsuch a hand. Lacking this interference, it is close, I will most likely pass anyway, but wont feel happy. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Yes. In this auction we're both effectively in the balancing position, so I'd double with less than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand? I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand? I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising. You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 You are dealer at IMPS red vs white, and hold KJTx T9 AQx JTxx. Well, so you don't usually open balanced 11 counts in your partnership, and pass.LHO opens a weak NT, and RHO bids 2♥ to play. Do you double for takeout? 1) given i pass with these hands...2) easy double now ty...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 1) given i pass with these hands... I thought you played Roth/Stone? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I would have opened 1♣ also. But, given the agreements, I double now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand? I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising. You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising? I find passing THIS balanced 11 quite surprising! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand? I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising. You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising? I find passing this balanced 11-count count suprising. [Edit: seriously did not see Josh's post above] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand? I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising. You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising? I find passing this balanced 11-count count suprising. [Edit: seriously did not see Josh's post above] Haven't decided whether to hire Ken or Mike as my lawyer yet, but you'll be hearing from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 In this spot, I do not count points. I check whether my values looks usefull. These do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Of course I balance with an X. I really cannot pass a better hand in opening seat, I have 4♠ and certainly have tolerance if PD bids a minor and we may be on for 4♠ or even 3NT if PD stops ♥ and has a 13 count or so, that couldn't bid over 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand? I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising. You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising? I find passing this balanced 11-count count suprising. [Edit: seriously did not see Josh's post above] Haven't decided whether to hire Ken or Mike as my lawyer yet, but you'll be hearing from me. As a defense attorney, I must represent Han. The defense is easy. The nuance of the italicized "this" rather than the all-caps "this" was quite nuanced and critical to the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand? I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising. You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising? I find passing this balanced 11-count count suprising. [Edit: seriously did not see Josh's post above] In my experience top american players (ie, those playing in the USBC) that don't play strong club would not open a balanced 11 without a 5 card suit and without AK A. I would not open it if playing standard methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Do you think most American experts base their decision to open a balanced hand only on the high card count? For how many players would the excellent spotcards be a reason to open the hand? (no sarcasm in this post, sincere questions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Do you think most American experts base their decision to open a balanced hand only on the high card count? For how many players would the excellent spotcards be a reason to open the hand? (no sarcasm in this post, sincere questions) Can't speak for everyone but since I think HCP are closely correlated to value on balanced hands, I usually use those. We have good spot cards and our honors work well together (KJT, AQ, JT), but we have no 5 card suit and just 11 HCP so I just wouldn't open it in a standard system. I would need a truly exceptional hand to do so with an 11 HCP hand and no 5 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Do you think most American experts base their decision to open a balanced hand only on the high card count? For how many players would the excellent spotcards be a reason to open the hand? (no sarcasm in this post, sincere questions)Well, I can't speak for any Americans at all. However, for what it is worth, the system of fifths is one of the best systems there is for balanced hands. This hand comes to 11.8 on that scale. Now you can say, "oh well, that is nearly 12 and we open 12s so I'll open". But as Thomas Andrews points out one has to think quite carefully about the impact of using fractional values on one's system. If you open 11.8s "because they're nearly 12" you're essentially saying you open bad 12s. That may or may not be what you and your partner really want to do. Again, FWIW, passing bad (balanced) 12s is good bridge at least as often as it is bad in my experience Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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