Guest Jlall Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Is this a wtp? Kxx Qx xxxxxx QJ r/w 2nd seat 2H p 4H X p ? X=cards/takeout oriented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I think this is pretty far from a wtp. I would bid 5d, but I've changed my mind a few times in the 2 minutes I've thought about it. I'm assuming imps. More likely to pass at mp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 5♦ seems obvious if the double is mainly takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 We have 6+16(+) of 30 working points in SpadesDiaClubs. 6D on or 4HX-3. Pick. WTP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would certainly bid 5♦ but I am not confident that it's the percentage choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Sign me up for 5D wtp please. I recently discussed with Justin that (2S)-p-(4S)-Dbl should be taken out more often than (4S)-Dbl and I think the same logic applies here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I bid 5D.If they are in a 9-card fit I shall regret this. Other half said "dunno. Depends how many diamonds partner has got really"And eventually passed. So not a wtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 pass. with trepidation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would definitely pass and am very surprised that people are bidding 5♦ here. We have nothing in diamonds and a ton of soft values. Why hang partner for making a borderline double? Don't you guys routinely double 4♥ on 4225/4126 shape? The last time I pulled a similar auction like this to 5m, I had a much better hand than this, partner did not have a minimum, partner had 3-card support, and I went down 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Not a WTP by anymeans. I slightly prefer to pass with these soft values and noting that sometimes PD may have only 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 X=cards/takeout orientedPass for me. Even after a double defined as purely takeout I might pass, but if double is more 'cards' I think pass is almost a WTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 These are always a guess, I have doubled for takeout in partner's seat when 4216 but he can always be the perfect 4045 or something too. I think I like 5♦ better, sometimes it will push them to 5♥ anyway which is probably my tiebreaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Pass. My partners don't always have pure 16+ hands for the double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 For me this primarily hinges on how many hearts partner is likely to have. I think 2 is very likely especially since, at these colours, opener may only have 5 of them. In which case no 6D and the likely profit from axing their contract beats the 5D making option - probably. It is true that 5D may push them to 5H. On the other hand they may have pushed their luck already and know it. So I vote for pass. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Don't you guys routinely double 4♥ on 4225/4126 shape? No. And if I did, I wouldn't call it "cards/takeout oriented". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I recently discussed with Justin that (2S)-p-(4S)-Dbl should be taken out more often than (4S)-Dbl What was your reasoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I recently discussed with Justin that (2S)-p-(4S)-Dbl should be taken out more often than (4S)-Dbl What was your reasoning? It was actually 1S p 4S vs 4S, the reasoning is obviously if you have say, xxx of spades, partner could easily have a doubleton after 4S X but is far more likely to have a void than a doubleton after 1S p 4S X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 X=cards/takeout orientedPass for me. Even after a double defined as purely takeout I might pass, but if double is more 'cards' I think pass is almost a WTP. hehe yeah when I initially posted it I wasn't sure if I should or not because I thought it might be a "wtp pass" but I guess I was right to post it since most are bidding 5D! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 r/w 2nd seat ♠ Kxx ♥ Qx ♦ xxxxxx ♣ QJ(2♥) _p (4♥) _X (_P) ??X=cards/takeout oriented. Is this a wtp?IMO _P = 10, 5♦ = 7, 4♠ = 5.It's close. If partner is 4234 we should probably pass. If partner is 5044, we should probably bid. So assume partner is 4144 or 5134 e.g. ♠ AQxx ♥ x ♦ Axxx ♣ Axxx ♠ QJxxx ♥ x ♦ AKQ ♣ KxxxOh well. That hasn't helped much :P Butpartner is more likely to hold primary ♠ support than ♦ support5♦ requires 11 tricks (that's why 4♠ deserves a passing glance). Hence, I guess to pass :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I will take out. Of course this could be a big disaster. On the other hand our diamonds might counterfeit partner's defensive tricks too. I've learned that taking these out unless bidding is totally ******* nuts, not just mildly crazy, is a big IMP winner in the long run. Curt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Pass for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Pass. Our hand with short honors is defensive and pard doesnt promise great diamonds. We are guessing to an extent, but pass looks like a winner. I wouldnt call this a wtp. We could easily be giving up a double game swing by passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 1) if you judge we may give up an easy double game swing....then 5d2) if you judge other than pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 I would pass, but i think it's a 60-40% call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 I recently discussed with Justin that (2S)-p-(4S)-Dbl should be taken out more often than (4S)-Dbl What was your reasoning? It was actually 1S p 4S vs 4S, the reasoning is obviously if you have say, xxx of spades, partner could easily have a doubleton after 4S X but is far more likely to have a void than a doubleton after 1S p 4S XAlso, we've already had the opportunity to act at a low level, reducing the upside for partner doubling on a decent hand with two or more spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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