han Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Matchpoints, all red. KQ108xxJxxA10xx 1H - 1S2D - ?? Partner opens fairly light but nothing unusual. What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 This is the reason why I prefer a wicked style with mandatory off-shape 1NT rebids to make this 2♦ call showing extras and/or 10 red cards. Then I would have no problem with 2NT. I guess I still bid 2NT but pass could easily be the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 2NT seems fairly normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 2h Given we open lite, 2h, way too weak for 2nt(12-13 I assume given we open lite.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would also bid 2N. It's possible that we're in the best contract if I pass, but I don't see how I can take that chance. Partner can still bid 3d with a weak 5-5. 2s would also not occur to me with so much stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I feel like I have to bid 2 NT, although I secretly hope that partner will bid 3♦ which I will happily pass. Passing for a hopeful +130 in diamonds could easily be correct though, and I would not fault anyone for making that decision at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 2NT wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I will go against the normal 2N and bid 2S. We could miss a game (obv) but I think we will also avoid some bad games and that 2S will generally be a better partial than 2N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 2h Given we open lite, 2h, way too weak for 2nt(12-13 I assume given we open lite.) Huh? 2N seems reasonable if partner's openings mean we have an invitational hand. If not, 2♥ has got to be my last choice. I'm torn between pass and 2♠, but I'm never bidding 2♥ with a stiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 2h Given we open lite, 2h, way too weak for 2nt(12-13 I assume given we open lite.) Huh? 2N seems reasonable if partner's openings mean we have an invitational hand. If not, 2♥ has got to be my last choice. I'm torn between pass and 2♠, but I'm never bidding 2♥ with a stiff. Agree with "what?" for bidding 2H, but I feel the same way about passing 2D. You can have a game sooo easily, or a higher scoring partscore, that I can't really imagine passing. I mean partner can still be 3541 with some extras, or have some 17/18 that wasn't quite worth a jump shift, or even some 15/16 5-5 that will bid again if we just keep it open for him. It is really quite a view to pass, even given that partner usually has a minimum, you are just giving up on too many game hands imo. Also, if partner is minimum anyways I would imagine 2S would often score better than 2D just by virtue of it being a major suit fit. Definitely if you catch a 5-2 spade fit, and sometimes even when you catch a 5-1 spade fit. So basically I feel like 2D caters to too small of a target and is too committal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I post here to learn but try and give what I would do at the table given what we are told. I guess almost everyone seems to feel 2nt is "normal" despite OP saying we open fairly light. I am surprised I would have thought 2nt is normal if we open fairly sound but not if we open fairly light. But based on these posts I see almost everyone thinks 2nt wtp. 2s would have been my close 2nd choice. Pass seems too inflexible given the wide range opener can have and I would be too worried partner would bid 3nt over our 2nt on too many 12- 13 hcp opening hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 2♠ for me. The suit is playable even oppsite a singleton and my "extras" come handy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 The suit is playable even oppsite a singleton ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww (not the bid, mind you. Just calling this suit playable across a singleton). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Put me down for 2N. I don't think it is likely enough that ♠ plays better than NT (especially if partner is 1543) to take that position. (2♥ and pass, wow, people are getting very creative.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 2♠ or 2N...flip a coin. I'd like a bit better 5 carder for 2♠, but 2N may also lead to a bad result. 2♥ or pass are not under consideration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 As long as people are being creative, what's wrong with 3♦? OK, sure, I'd like to have more/better diamonds for 3♦, absolutely. We're talking choices between bad bids here. I'm assuming that if partner was 2542, he doesn't bid hearts and rebid diamonds. He opens 1NT or rebids it. If partner is 1-5-4-3, would I rather be in NT or diamonds? I like those crossed singletons, and unlike some people, I think AQT86 is one of the worst hands to hold across a singleton in NT, for its point count. You guess wrong, you have 4 losers, even if they split 4-3. KQT86 is almost as bad. You lead the singleton, you play the ten, the jack comes out. Good luck on setting up that suit. If partner is 2-5-5-1, would I rather be in spades or diamonds? Again, I don't like the suit across a singleton, and I have (effectively) Axxx in clubs. If I ruff a club on the board, I run into the same problem. In diamonds, we have an 8 card fit, and we can either crossruff or set up one of the majors. If partner is 2-6-4-1, well, I'm rather hoping he'd rebid hearts if he was weak. If he's stronger, he'll make another call. Game is not out of reach. I have an invitational hand with diamond support. While normally I'd say the 'diamond support' is bad enough on this hand that it's not worth showing, the other bids at first glance appear to be even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 As long as people are being creative, what's wrong with 3♦? Because at either form of scoring, but especially matchpoints, there is no way I am playing 3♦ in a probable 4-3 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I'm assuming that if partner was 2542, he doesn't bid hearts and rebid diamonds. He opens 1NT or rebids it. ????? I would always assume that when partner has two suits he can bid comfortably, he bids them. When he has a balanced hand, he bids NT. If he doesn't have a balanced hand and can't bid his suits comfortably, he may have to bid NT anyway. But not on this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I'm assuming that if partner was 2542, he doesn't bid hearts and rebid diamonds. He opens 1NT or rebids it. ????? I would always assume that when partner has two suits he can bid comfortably, he bids them. When he has a balanced hand, he bids NT. I guess I think of 2542 as balanced, especially when partner bids spades. If he can be that shape (and 12-14), I guess 3♦ is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 2♠ or 2N...flip a coin. I hope you are not one of those who bids 2NT, folds his hand and writes the contract down before the bidding ceases - otherwise, there is considerable difference between a non-encouraging 2S and a game-invite 2N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 2S at MPs and 2N at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 My partner had this hand and passed. I had J AKxxx AKxx Jxx, 2D+1 scored 35%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 2♠ or 2N...flip a coin. I hope you are not one of those who bids 2NT, folds his hand and writes the contract down before the bidding ceases - otherwise, there is considerable difference between a non-encouraging 2S and a game-invite 2N. Nope, Winston, I leave the higly unethical stuff to a few of the regulars at the clubs around here, where. most of the directors look the other way, since these players' twice every week participation helps pay them for their evening's work. Yes there is a big difference between 2♠ and 2N and when I say "flip a coin" it means that I have no preference between the two. As we all know with a S/Am type system, opener could even have a good 10 count or could be just shy of GF. This means that responder may often make a call that doesn't work out so well on his 2nd turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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