World Record?

[kfay]

Just kibbitzed this hand. What do you open with

 

♠AK1043

♥AKJ

♦AK763

♣

 

IMPs all white. World Class partner and opps.

[ArcLight]

Whats wrong with 2♣?

[TylerE]

If I was feeling really sick, Pass,

[inquiry]

I open 3♦.. either a heart preempt, or a strong two suiter with diamonds and one of the black suits. After partner makes his bid, I can then show a spade/diamond two suiter with 3 losers (the honest response) or with 2 losers needing no cover card in clubs (almost true).

 

Anyway, I will end up in at least 4♦ no matter what... somehow this will at least avoid the world record... :lol:

[Guest Jlall]

umm...2C???

[pclayton]

2C. Seems I wont have much of a rebid problem.

[kfay]

Don't imagine I'll get many more responses. Harmon Edgar opened 1♠ with this hand, which was passed out.

 

1♠+6

 

I don't mean to call attention to what I thought was a terrible bid by a player who I obviously respect. I just thought this was taking an idea way too far. Was wondering if anyone shared his philosophy about strong 2-suiters.

[inquiry]

Strong two suiters are frequently opened one of a suit, becauae of the difficulty of dealing iwth the loss of bidding space if you open 2C. This is one reason I play misiry (outlined in my first post). However, without misiry, some strong two suited hands are just too darn strong to risk a one of a suit bid. This is one of those hands even for those who believe in opening in one of a suit with a stong hand.

[neilkaz]

With a very control rich 22 HCP the chances of passout are too much for 1♠, I'd instantly open 2♣ without the J of ♥.

 

Those that play Bergen (or other preemptive 3♠) have chances to be saved here as perhaps PD has junk with 4♠ and can bid 3.

 

Those that play 1NTF and constructive raises may be saved if PD has 3 trumps and 4 or a bad 5 hcp and starts with the forcing NT, which the intention of signing off in 2♠ hoping to steal the hand.

 

However, those are too many BIG if's for me to not open 2♣ instantly.

 

Passed out with a slam is a good possibility, and especially vs opps, that need something to balance and force to the 2 level.

[rogerclee]

World record in terms of playing strength? I think that ♠AQ ♥AKQTxxxxx ♦A ♣A hand from a team match I played in awhile ago is still the winner.

[jdonn]

Strong two suiters are frequently opened one of a suit, becauae of the difficulty of dealing iwth the loss of bidding space if you open 2C. This is one reason I play misiry (outlined in my first post). However, without misiry, some strong two suited hands are just too darn strong to risk a one of a suit bid. This is one of those hands even for those who believe in opening in one of a suit with a stong hand.

What auction would lead to that difficulty on this hand?

[TimG]

1♠+6

I think he meant world record for over tricks, unless that '+6" means making six instead of six over tricks.

[blackshoe]

The correct answer to the original question is "it depends what system I'm playing." :lol:

[mike777]

Just kibbitzed this hand.  What do you open with

 

♠AK1043

♥AKJ

♦AK763

♣

 

IMPs all white.   World Class partner and opps.

seriously.........i open 2c wtp.....too much only 3 losers.

the rest of the hand maybe but 2c=100% with any wc partner I play with.

 

If wc partner prefers i open one spade...npp....just tell me so I can file it.. ty.....

lol I only wish..wish this is the worst bid or play I ever make with a wc pard....:)

[655321]

hands like these are why I freed up a 2♣ opening in my system for game forcing hands. :)

 

But, I wouldn't worry too much about seeing somebody experiment with a 1♠ opening in a friendly online game - if you can't try stuff under those conditions, when can you?

[Free]

2♣ wtp

[P_Marlowe]

Don't imagine I'll get many more responses. Harmon Edgar opened 1♠ with this hand, which was passed out.

 

1♠+6

 

I don't mean to call attention to what I thought was a terrible bid by a player who I obviously respect. I just thought this was taking an idea way too far. Was wondering if anyone shared his philosophy about strong 2-suiters.

was he playing 2/1 with forcing 1NT and constructive

raises?

 

If he did, the bid is not completly out of this world,

because partner will bid, if he holds 4HCP and a spade

fit, but it is risky.

 

With kind regads

Marlowe

[Finch]

I open a lot of these hands at the 1-level.

I'm slowly being trained out of it after scoring 1C+5, but without that how could I have had the amusement on another hand of being protected out of 1D into a making slam?

[gwnn]

lots of 2m+5 (13 tricks, sigh) in lower level play. and 1NT+6 does happen sometimes.

 

I don't like passing 1M with a sexy 3 or 4 count particularly NV. That said, this does (barely) look like a bit thick for 1♠.

[barmar]

While two-suiters can often be difficult to bid after a 2♣ opening, this particular combination of suits doesn't look like it will have rebid problems to show both suits. The only potential problem is if the pesky opponents stick in a ♣ preempt, but you can deal with this with a NT rebidt showing a 2-suiter.

[inquiry]

Strong two suiters are frequently opened one of a suit, becauae of the difficulty of dealing iwth the loss of bidding space if you open 2C. This is one reason I play misiry (outlined in my first post). However, without misiry, some strong two suited hands are just too darn strong to risk a one of a suit bid. This is one of those hands even for those who believe in opening in one of a suit with a stong hand.

What auction would lead to that difficulty on this hand?

None.. .

2♣=2♦

2♠=3♠ (or second neg then raise spades)

6♠ (or some forcing bid to get to it)

 

This hand works fine on 2♣ bid.... not all strong two suiters do, however.

[georgeac]

do u remember what his partner had? was that an obvious pass over 1♠, just curious.

[babalu1997]

Don't imagine I'll get many more responses. Harmon Edgar opened 1♠ with this hand, which was passed out.

 

1♠+6

 

I don't mean to call attention to what I thought was a terrible bid by a player who I obviously respect. I just thought this was taking an idea way too far. Was wondering if anyone shared his philosophy about strong 2-suiters.

yeah i open that hand 1 spade and know a few people who do.

 

i stray a little bit and open 2 clubs to rebid 2nt if the hand is balanced and stopped.

 

i am glad to find out there are wc players who actually bid like that.

 

i always thought max hardy was exaggerating to propose that in his book.

 

and yes it hurts to play 1 sapdes when everyone else is in 4s

[neilkaz]

do u remember what his partner had? was that an obvious pass over 1♠, just curious.

I'd like to also see it ! In reply to babalu...it hurts lots worse to be passed out at the 1 level in a slam !

[kfay]

Don't imagine I'll get many more responses.  Harmon Edgar opened 1♠ with this hand, which was passed out. 

 

1♠+6

 

I don't mean to call attention to what I thought was a terrible bid by a player who I obviously respect.  I just thought this was taking an idea way too far.  Was wondering if anyone shared his philosophy about strong 2-suiters.

yeah i open that hand 1 spade and know a few people who do.

 

i stray a little bit and open 2 clubs to rebid 2nt if the hand is balanced and stopped.

 

i am glad to find out there are wc players who actually bid like that.

 

i always thought max hardy was exaggerating to propose that in his book.

 

and yes it hurts to play 1 sapdes when everyone else is in 4s

Actually everyone else is in 6♠. I think this happens to be quite a good argument against it. Seriously if you think this is an argument for why 1♠ is the correct opening I don't think you've understood this thread at all.