han Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I'm rooting for Poland to become second in their group, the situation is certainly not hopeless. The Netherlands played strong with very attractive soccer obviously, but great soccer in one of the early matches is not a guarantee for success. We will see if they can keep it up. Germany made a solid impression, Portugal played well but not great. Hard to predict what will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Hmm. In the world cup 2006 Germany did play attractive football, so the list of exceptions is becoming longer :( Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjames Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Wow Spain :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Now we have seen impressive performances from Portugal, Germany, Netherlands and Spain.We will see how Greece and Sweden will introduce themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Spain were indeed very solid! edit: told you Uwe :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Go Engl.... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Very disappointing performance by Germany yesterday, although it also seemed that Croatia played much better than in their first match. Tonight Italy-Romania and Netherlands-France. I predict that the first match will be a boring 1-0 for Italy, and the second match will be a dramatic victory for one of the two teams. I have no idea which team though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Croatia played arguably the best match in their football history. And Romania is very hard to beat. I agree, it doesn't seem they will actually win a game :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 OK I made a bet with Csaba, he says Romania will not lose tonight, I say they will. I hope he is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 OK I made a bet with Csaba, he says Romania will not lose tonight, I say they will. I hope he is right. that was not offside. and it was offside in the quali game Romania-Holland. finally we're getting mistakes in our favor :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Performance of the referees is not the best so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 all in all a truthful draw I think after a solid match by both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 It seems, nobody is able to stop Flying Dutchmen :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Amazing match. The Netherlands did not play as well as against Italy, perhaps also because France was stronger. But with a little luck and beautiful goals we had a nice evening after all :o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 what about your bet? btw what do you think about the Holland-Romania match? in theory the Romanians may seem like easier opposition for the semis than either world championship finalist, so they may not really want to get any points of the last round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Csaba you won the bet, congratulations. They were talking on Dutch tv about letting Romania win so that France and Italy are out. The tv people all thought that was a great idea and the soccer people all thought it was a horrible idea. Clearly the players with small injuries will not play and that's quite a few. But I think that the players that do play will try to play as well as they can. My own thought is that right now Spain seems more dangerous than either Italy or France so it isn't so clear that having a weaker team to be second in the group is good for the Netherlands. It also isn't really clear yet if Romania is actually considerably weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 After yesterday's match, "Someone else" is leading in the pole. And I think that if "Someone else" keeps playing like they have and are a little lucky (which is always needed) they could win it. Rik (living in "Someone else") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Their aim is that when all the betting has stopped, they are indifferent to the actual result of the match. If they have taken £w in bets, and have to pay out £x, £y or £z depending on the result, I expect that they are always planning for (£x+£y+£z) < £x, and ideally for x, y and z all to be about the same. I know this doesn't happen in practice, because you do hear about bookmakers making big losses when something extraordinary happens but I think it's generally true. (I've made all of this post up, I don't have any actual knowledge- but it convinced me!) This isn't actually right, at least for many North American and Central American bookies. While they do move lines in response to action and try not to be hugely over balanced they will often take positions. If they know their fairly accurate true odds estimate and know that the public is over betting one side they will stay closer to their estimated true odds instead of staying at the balanced point. It was interesting that the Luftansa folks stopped general service and movies to announce the score several times on my flight back to the US from Germany during the Croatia-Germany game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I'm hoping that Romania will go through. Italy and France have produced lacklustre performances, and do not deserve to go through. Times have really changed when the world cup finalists are going to battle it out to avoid getting knocked out in the first round of the Euro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I used to play chess and this happened to a friend of mine in the qualifications for the national championships. I think it was the last round or something, and he really really needed a win - so did the guy who he was playing (albeit that guy was probably not making it anyway). His opp was his long time rival and they almost never won against one another. So after about 25-30 moves, in a position which seemed to lead nowhere, they agreed that they flip a coin and the winner wins. I'm wondering, what if Italy-France is a draw after like 89 minutes? Would they do something like this, literally or somehow unconsciously? Of course if Romania lose, a 1-1 draw is OK for Italy and so is a 0-0, as long as Romania lose by 4-0, but that's the only position a draw is good for either team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Well, both teams will start to play more and more offensively so a goal can be expected. I don't think they will "flip a coin". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I used to play chess and this happened to a friend of mine in the qualifications for the national championships. I think it was the last round or something, and he really really needed a win - so did the guy who he was playing (albeit that guy was probably not making it anyway). His opp was his long time rival and they almost never won against one another. So after about 25-30 moves, in a position which seemed to lead nowhere, they agreed that they flip a coin and the winner wins. I'm wondering, what if Italy-France is a draw after like 89 minutes? Would they do something like this, literally or somehow unconsciously? Of course if Romania lose, a 1-1 draw is OK for Italy and so is a 0-0, as long as Romania lose by 4-0, but that's the only position a draw is good for either team. LOL, that never happened to me last time! (I used to play chess too) Doubt it though, France and Italy have too much bad blood between them. (Cf. Materazzi-Zidane and Gallas' recent comments) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 An interesting detail. According to the new regulations, if the match Turkey vs Czech Republic will end in a tie tonight, penalty shooting must decide which of these teams qualifies to the QF. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Not being an afficianado, I caught a bit of the Romania-Italy game. Not much going on....the Romanians score an "opportune" goal and the Italians seemed to kick (pun intended) their game into overdrive, had several good chances and then got a goal within 2 or 3 minutes. Then, back to not seeming to try. If they could score by "pressing" so easily, did they not have to try to win the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjames Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 What a match! Did BBO crash due to turks go:Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ? :D Go Turkey :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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