helene_t Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Weak jump shifts have always been alertable (at least, as long as I've been playing). Recent rule changes have not altered that. Weak jump overcalls are not alertable. (The difference is really to do with expectations - it's no surprise that a jump overcall is non-forcing, whatever its strength, but a weak jump response is pretty unusual and 4th hand needs to be made aware of it) Thanks Frances. Can I assume that it is always correct to alert a call when opps are likely to interpret it wrongly without the alert? (I am aware of the exception for most calls above 3NT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Weak jump shifts have always been alertable (at least, as long as I've been playing). Recent rule changes have not altered that. Weak jump overcalls are not alertable. (The difference is really to do with expectations - it's no surprise that a jump overcall is non-forcing, whatever its strength, but a weak jump response is pretty unusual and 4th hand needs to be made aware of it) Thanks Frances. Can I assume that it is always correct to alert a call when opps are likely to interpret it wrongly without the alert? (I am aware of the exception for most calls above 3NT). Depends how you define 'correct'. It would not always be necessarily in line with the strict alerting rules, but if you did what you would suggest you would be i) acting in accordance with the spirit of the lawsii) unlikely ever to come to harm (unless partner is surprised by the alert) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 hi It is becoming increasingly obvious that this thread has been deliberately hijacked.None of these comments have anything to do with the original post Perhaps it is time for admin to close this thread. As this thread was opened with a libelous mis-quote, perhaps it should be stopped immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Lol, at the Blackpool Conference we were slapped for not alerting a WJS. Next table we did. Then we were slapped for alerting a natural bid ("it is illegal to alert natural bids") But of course you will have this no matter how simple the alert rules are. Also as I understand EBU-land recently underwent an alert rule reform so there may be more confusion at the moment than usual. Who did the slapping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Sorry, "slapping" was a mild exaggeration. It was not the TD btw, just opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Sorry, "slapping" was a mild exaggeration. It was not the TD btw, just opps. Heh. Two choices: ignore them, or call the TD and ask him to direct opps not to attempt to teach at the table. Unless the opps are real jerks, I tend to the former view. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 hi It is becoming increasingly obvious that this thread has been deliberately hijacked.None of these comments have anything to do with the original post Perhaps it is time for admin to close this thread. As this thread was opened with a libelous mis-quote, perhaps it should be stopped immediately.My sympathies Tony Duke of York.I have very high respect for non-playing TDs of free tournaments whose only motive seems to be to make a large number of people happy.If they devise rules which in their opinion make a maximum number of people happy then they should be allowed to do so.One cannot satisfy everybody anyway.So go on with your rules Tony .Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I agree, well done Tony for running free games and keeping a lot of people happy, thats no small task!As others have said, as long as it is clear you are using your own rules and not following the laws of DCB players can chose to play and have no grounds for complaint. Of course you can list all the rules you like in the tournament description or tournament rules but the chances are the players wont read it anyway. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 hi It is becoming increasingly obvious that this thread has been deliberately hijacked.None of these comments have anything to do with the original post Perhaps it is time for admin to close this thread. As this thread was opened with a libelous mis-quote, perhaps it should be stopped immediately. Thread drift is a fact of internet life. That it has happened here does not mean the thread was "deliberately hijacked". The OP may have mis-represented the regulation in question, but that does not, IMO, make his comment libelous. Of course, IANAL, so I could be wrong about that. :lol: If you had a complaint about the original post, and think it should not have been allowed, why didn't you complain about it earlier? (Note that complaining about a post in the thread is generally useless - if you have a complaint, you should PM the appropriate administrator). NB: as others have said, if folks are (mostly) enjoying the tournaments you run, you're doing well. Kudos for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 The original poster talked about a tournament whose director issued a RULE about no redoubles (unless.. yada yada yada) and a few other things (report to abuse)...... No directors name was mentioned. We allow such post. If the OP had mentioned any director by specific name, that name would have been removed, and the OP warned but the post remained. Post like this one almost always drift... how much can one say about this other than... 1) the laws of bridge do not allow such a rule2) bbo, however, gives TD's wide lattitude to run their events how they see fit as long as they are polite and post established "rules"3) the director in this case published his rules... threatening to report to abuse can be viewed as a warning or impolite... that is in the eyes of the beholder. We have had similar threads, a common one is the "no psyche tournaments" (another special rule). Eventually in those threads, the discussion drifts to "well, even if you outlaw psyches, who determines rather a stretched bid is a psyche?" These threads are useful, as it reminds old members, and informs new members that the TD's run their events according to their own preference, and if you don't like the rules of one TD, you can wait a few minutes and join another tournament with a different TD who runs his even more to your liking. Many, many people enjoy the no psyching tournaments... I happen to not. I only play in one tournament that has such a rule.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 The allegedly libellous comment was not by the OP but was buried at the bottom of page 2 (15th post of page 2, 31st post of the thread). Tony expressed his objection in the 15th post of page 3 (46th post of the thread) and received a full apology 2 posts later. It was clearly a case of mistaken identity and no-one reading this post should draw the conclusion that "our" Tony made the offending adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 My appologies to all concerned, the word "libelous" was uncalled for Sorry >reaches for Prozac< Tony (Duke of York) Added June 3rd Devotees of matchpoint re-doubles may like to follow this link :- http://cid-a2215bf240b1bba1.skydrive.live....20Re-double.lin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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