Apollo81 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 all white, MPs ♠AK76♥7632♦KT64♣8 (p)-p-(1♠)-Dbl(p)-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Glad its matchpoints. 1N is a lot easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I will try 2♠. By passed hand this should be two places to play with good values. My plan is: Over 3♣, I will bid 3♦ (red suits). Over 3♦, I will bid 3♥. Over 3♥ I will raise to four. Over 3♠ I will bid 3NT. Remember, we're a passed hand. This is a ridiculously good passed hand -- while I agree with the initial pass we have useful shape, great controls, a likely 4-4 major fit. I think we need to show the values and 2♠ does that while still maintaining a possibility of avoiding hearts if partner has some 2344 or 13(45) hand pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I will try 2♠. By passed hand this should be two places to play with good values. My plan is: Over 3♣, I will bid 3♦ (red suits). Over 3♦, I will bid 3♥. Over 3♥ I will raise to four. Over 3♠ I will bid 3NT. Remember, we're a passed hand. This is a ridiculously good passed hand -- while I agree with the initial pass we have useful shape, great controls, a likely 4-4 major fit. I think we need to show the values and 2♠ does that while still maintaining a possibility of avoiding hearts if partner has some 2344 or 13(45) hand pattern. Over 2NT, ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 3♦ I suppose over 2NT; 3NT also makes some sense but clubs might be a liability and hearts could still play better if we have a fit there. Honestly I'd be surprised if partner bids 2NT with me holding ♠AKxx but I suppose you never know. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 2♠. Lots of what if's, incluidng Opener doing something. But, start with 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I will try 2♠. By passed hand this should be two places to play with good values. My plan is: Over 3♣, I will bid 3♦ (red suits). Over 3♦, I will bid 3♥. Over 3♥ I will raise to four. Over 3♠ I will bid 3NT. Remember, we're a passed hand. This is a ridiculously good passed hand -- while I agree with the initial pass we have useful shape, great controls, a likely 4-4 major fit. I think we need to show the values and 2♠ does that while still maintaining a possibility of avoiding hearts if partner has some 2344 or 13(45) hand pattern. So if partner bids 3♦ and you bid 3♥, he will think you have the round suits and judge accordingly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I will try 2♠. By passed hand this should be two places to play with good values. My plan is: Over 3♦, I will bid 3♥. So if partner bids 3♦ and you bid 3♥, he will think you have the round suits and judge accordingly? No. 2♠ followed by 3♥ shows four hearts and playability in another strain; it doesn't say what that other strain is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 I will try 2♠. By passed hand this should be two places to play with good values. My plan is: Over 3♦, I will bid 3♥. So if partner bids 3♦ and you bid 3♥, he will think you have the round suits and judge accordingly? No. 2♠ followed by 3♥ shows four hearts and playability in another strain; it doesn't say what that other strain is. Why does 3♥ show hearts and another strain but 3♦ diamonds and hearts? Why is 3♦ not diamonds and "another strain?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Why does 3♥ show hearts and another strain but 3♦ diamonds and hearts? Why is 3♦ not diamonds and "another strain?"With diamonds and clubs, having bid 2♠ presumably you'd raise clubs. With diamonds and notrumps you'd probably just forget the diamonds and make a limit bid in notrumps. That seems to leave diamonds and hearts as the only possible strains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Why does 3♥ show hearts and another strain but 3♦ diamonds and hearts? Why is 3♦ not diamonds and "another strain?"With diamonds and clubs, having bid 2♠ presumably you'd raise clubs. With diamonds and notrumps you'd probably just forget the diamonds and make a limit bid in notrumps. That seems to leave diamonds and hearts as the only possible strains. How about just diamonds and no clear direction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 How about just diamonds and no clear direction? What would a 3♦ response to the double have shown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 How about just diamonds and no clear direction? What would a 3♦ response to the double have shown? That would show diamonds and a clear direction. I think that there is a wild difference between these two hands: ♠xxx ♥Axx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx ♠xxxx ♥Ax ♦KQxxx ♣Qx I doubt that both are effectively covered by a 3♦ jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 ♠xxx ♥Axx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx ♠xxxx ♥Ax ♦KQxxx ♣Qx I doubt that both are effectively covered by a 3♦ jump.Why not ? Both are easy 3D for me. For me 2S has to suggest 2 place to play. But they rarely suggest H and a minor. We are in MP so most of the hands with major and a minor should just bid the major and most hands that are NT or minor should just bid nt. The tricky hands are between H and NT or both minors. Occasoinnaly you would get a hand that is 6m and 1 stopper where you have reason to believe that 3m might be better then 2Nt. As for 6m and 4M i prefer to just bid the major. Over 2S partner should bid nt with a stopper or bid his best minor. Over his minor my 3H should suggest Hearts and stopper in nt. On a side note if the doubler bid 3H its should be 100% GF and show the hand that was too good to overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I think that there is a wild difference between these two hands: ♠xxx ♥Axx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx ♠xxxx ♥Ax ♦KQxxx ♣Qx I agree: one of them is an opening bid and the other is not. If both hands are possible holdings, I agree that you need to cater for advancer's having a game force with just diamonds. In that case, maybe it's best to play 2♠ the same way as by an unpassed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I think that there is a wild difference between these two hands: ♠xxx ♥Axx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx ♠xxxx ♥Ax ♦KQxxx ♣Qx I agree: one of them is an opening bid and the other is not. If both hands are possible holdings, I agree that you need to cater for advancer's having a game force with just diamonds. In that case, maybe it's best to play 2♠ the same way as by an unpassed hand. Actually, Iwould open both hands. I hesitated to include these because my feeling is that this affects the likely holdings. I can only have so many holdings to force as a passed hand. I don't even disagree with your premise, by the way. I just wanted to explore it some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 The winning call on the actual hand would have been 1NT (+120). Actions involving mentioning diamonds would score +110, and bidding hearts directly is either -50 or -100 depending on whether you end up in 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 1NT wtp? Not enamored with playing ♥s, which is only other option for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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