david_c Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=shkqj83d75432cj86]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]RHO opens 1♦ as dealer (better minor). What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 1H, I would give it a wtp but I know some people like to bid 2H. I think that is sick r/w and I think this is a wtp 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Pass with 1♥ being a close 2nd. Opps don't have a fit in ♦, unlikely in ♥ and if they have a ♠ fit, the suit splits unfortunate for them. In such a nonfit situation I don't want to fool partner about my true defensive strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 1H with 1H being a close second. What's this crap about defensive strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I offer money under the table to my opponents if they will please pass hands like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I'll add another 1H wtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dear David C,Tell us your theorie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Happy to agree with p to overcall this kind of hands but I don't do it opposite an unpassed p if overcall style is undiscussed. Maybe I should? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Let me just say that if I was kibitzing you Helene and you passed with this hand I would strot over to another table. Hopefully more is happening over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Generally I don't overcall on hands like this, but I'd still bid 1H here.(2H anything except r/w) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted May 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round: - - 1♦ 1♥Dbl 1♠ p ? Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 1♥ clearcut. 2♥ now. There must be a part 3, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round: - - 1♦ 1♥Dbl 1♠ p ? Now what? Pass. (You didn't specify whether 1S is forcing or not so I will assume it's not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round: - - 1♦ 1♥Dbl 1♠ p ? Now what? 1♥ is clear, unless you just put me in the DeLorean and transported me back to 1958 where I would pass. 2♥ is for the Gilberts of the world. Over 1♠ I would pass since we aren't doubled. And I rather doubt my RHO has enough length to double (would have done so already). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round: - - 1♦ 1♥Dbl 1♠ p ? Now what?Without the double, I play 1♠ as forcing so would have to choose between 2♣ and 2♥ (probably 2♥). If 1♠ is non-forcing I like pass now. But I don't know if I play 1♠ as forcing after the double. B) What does the double show? If the double denies 4 card spades, then LHO must have clubs, and a 2♣ rebid is unlikely to work. If the double showed spades I might try a 2♣ rebid. (Agree with 1♥WTP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I'd pass the first time, a cost of doing business. I give up on this overcall to gain in other auctions (IMO). Having overcalled 1♥ (a style I don't mind that much), I also pass. And, I'm liking this development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round: - - 1♦ 1♥Dbl 1♠ p ? Now what? Pass. (You didn't specify whether 1S is forcing or not so I will assume it's not). To all second round passers, we have gone over this many times (whether 1♠ is 4+ or 5+). Let's go the optimistic route and say it's 5+. We're vulnerable against not. So let's say the opponents cannot double us and let us play 1♠ undoubled. Aren't we worried that this is going to be a bad score? I understand that bidding may lead to a worse score. But I think I would overcall 1♥ and see it through with 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Let's see it the optimistic route and assume that the doubler showed 4 spades exactly. Let's also assume that opener would not pass with 4 spades himself. That measn partner must have at least 6 spades. Do you really think that partner would bid 1S on 4 after the opponents have just shown spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Let's see it the optimistic route and assume that the doubler showed 4 spades exactly. Let's also assume that opener would not pass with 4 spades himself. That measn partner must have at least 6 spades. Do you really think that partner would bid 1S on 4 after the opponents have just shown spades? Second time today I've misread the auction! This time I missed the double. Eek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) The problem with 1♥, for me, is that it suggests more defensive strength than I actually have. My overcalls might be up to about an 18-count; allowing them to also be as weak as this gives them an uncomfortably wide range for constructive purposes. If the opponents get too high in a contested auction I like to be able to double them. If a 1♥ overcall might have no defensive tricks, it makes it harder for advancer to judge when to double. Edited May 23, 2008 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Do you really think that partner would bid 1S on 4 after the opponents have just shown spades? What? Chicken??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 This 6 to 18 style of 1 level overcalls has proven too wide for me to play with the average adv/exp pickup !! :) so I play 6++ to 18- :rolleyes: and tell pd too raise me to 2 with anything that he definately raises an opener with, but to make sure that he has a good limit raise if he makes one. PD is expected to err on the side of caution with a mixed raise and decide whether to preempt or just make a single raise, although single raise is usually the best way to get my 15 to 17 overcalls to game, since I can just bid it, or invite. A couple dozen ex PD's haven't raised with 8 HCP, a doubleton and 3 card support. They got to watch me take 10 or 11 tricks when I had a good hand and then leave, telling them I am going to the pet shop to borrow a dog to walk. The majority of PD's know how to support with support..I was once passed out after an 8 HCP 1♠ over 2♠ and a 6 HCP raise when all cards were offside. I went down lots not vul and not X'd but these offside cards meant the opps had a small slam. OK so 1♥ here and assuming that dbl shows 4♠ 1♠ is NF and has to show quite a few of them or once in a while is a cute psych confusing those who play or aren't sure they play resp X here. 1♠ is NF even if LHO passes for me. I think this is Lawrence-style from his book on O/C. Now after 1♠ I have a trivial pass and think bidding 2♥ is awful to be frank. That violates the rules of don't bid the same values twice and don't bid if not forced when min, and this is an awful min. PD really should have 6♠ for this auction, noting my void. Perhaps he has 5..perhaps LHO reopens with a double ? All I know is that we aren't playing 1♠x here (I won't gamble that if RHO passes and will escape to 2♦(yeah I saw the opener but my auotpass of 1♠ showed my weakness) and give PD a chance to end things in an appropiate red suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 This 6 to 18 style of 1 level overcalls has proven too wide for me to play with the average adv/exp pickup !! Average pick-up partners have proved too wide ranging for me to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 This 6 to 18 style of 1 level overcalls has proven too wide for me to play with the average adv/exp pickup !! Average pick-up partners have proved too wide ranging for me to play with. No kidding, but I don't have the stable of regular very strong players to play with that many of you do, but give me a year or two to amp up my game a bit, and I suspect I'll be playing more with like minded experts who, I hope will be quite happy to PD me. The tips and advice I have picked up here on this forum, is definately improving my bidding judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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