gwnn Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 72QJ983K83952 1♥-p-p-Xp-? IMPS, various colors. RHO's 1♥ is limited to 17 hcp (well, duh) in a polish ♣ style system and LHO apparently can pass some 6 counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 72QJ983K83952 1♥-p-p-Xp-? IMPS, various colors. RHO's 1♥ is limited to 17 hcp (well, duh) in a polish ♣ style system and LHO apparently can pass some 6 counts. 2c no problem yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 72QJ983K83952 1♥-p-p-Xp-? IMPS, various colors. RHO's 1♥ is limited to 17 hcp (well, duh) in a polish ♣ style system and LHO apparently can pass some 6 counts. 2c no problem yet. Yikes, I agree with Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catatonic Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 well , can't have unanimity ! PASS I look to have about 4 tricks , even with a poor hand pt should be able to contribute 3 ; if he has a good hand he then knows where my length and strength lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'll bid 2♣ because if I pass, pard will start doubling and I'm not that strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Hi, it is either pass or 1NT, I would go with pass. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I would pass, if they make we probably weren't going to do great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'm passing. We will probably knock it tbh and I don't think we'll have much more than a partial. Agree with Jlall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Pass. What's the worst that can happen? -260? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'm passing this. Can hardly be catastrophic. Bidding most often will be. I'm expecting them to make, probably an overtrick. Even if they're vulnerable that's only -360. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 FWIW, I'm passing. It is true that LHO could pull the double and then who knows where this hand will end up - but I really don't fancy anything else. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I am a passer as well.. paying great respect to that trump 8 :P Question: what is our opening lead? BTW, the odds of LHO pulling this are very low in my experience... and there is no reason why partner should go nuts if he does... if LHO bids 1♠ and partner doubles, I have a comfortable 1N... showing weakness, not values... if he doubles a 2 minor bid, I am not happy but I am not desolate either.. we will usually have more trump than they do, even tho declarer will have more of them than either of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Another reason fior not passing is that pd may well decide not to balance in future, especially if you are going to score -260/-360. I don't see why the passers are that pessimistic that bidding will lead to a bad result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Another reason fior not passing is that pd may well decide not to balance in future, especially if you are going to score -260/-360. I don't see why the passers are that pessimistic that bidding will lead to a bad result. Why are you so pessimistic that passing will lead to a bad result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Pass, I don't like any other bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Another reason fior not passing is that pd may well decide not to balance in future, especially if you are going to score -260/-360. I don't see why the passers are that pessimistic that bidding will lead to a bad result. Why are you so pessimistic that passing will lead to a bad result? Because my hearts are not good enough for a 1 level penalty pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catatonic Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 well , I waited for someone to point out the subsidiary advantage of PASS ; it will slow down pt if he has a good hand ; your bid suggests that defeating a part score is the limit of your ambitions [ it can also be a hand that expects opps to go for a big number , but pt will be happy with that , surely ], so not much outside hearts ; if the bidding continues and he wants to go on , fine ...at least he will know what to expect from your side of the table personally when my side has made a penalty pass I like to play all further doubles as the axe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Why are you so pessimistic that passing will lead to a bad result? Because my hearts are not good enough for a 1 level penalty pass. I think the hearts ARE good for a penalty pass, but the rest of the hand is not. We are a bit weakish and our shape is eligible for trump endplays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Another reason fior not passing is that pd may well decide not to balance in future, especially if you are going to score -260/-360. I don't see why the passers are that pessimistic that bidding will lead to a bad result. I disagree with this. In the postmortem we will probably agree that partner's dbl was normal while my decision, whether it was to pass, to bid 2♣ or whatever, was questionable. Maybe this deal will teach me a lesson. (I hope it will since I really don't know whether I should pass or bid 2♣). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 pd (me) had a moose. AKQJ x Qxx AKJxx. 3NT makes, 1♥ makes 4 tricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I would pass and I don`t understand a 2 Club bid. If I won`t pas, why should I aim for a 4-3 fit, which possible is just a 3-3 fit anyway? I would make the very small lie of 1 NT. es I should have been a little stronger, but I bet that 2 club makes less often then 1 NT. As I am in the minority of one in this case, please explain me, why 2 Club should work better then 1 NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Pass or 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Why are you so pessimistic that passing will lead to a bad result? Because my hearts are not good enough for a 1 level penalty pass. I think the hearts ARE good for a penalty pass, but the rest of the hand is not. We are a bit weakish and our shape is eligible for trump endplays. Nuno when you make a penalty pass, you generally want to draw their trumps so that they don't ruff with the little ones. Are your trumps good enough to lead the Q here? personally I don't think so. I would not make a penalty pass at the one level with less than KQJTx of trumps. If this means I never make a 1 level penalty pass, well so be it. Fwiw I once played a 4S contract doubled and those were the outstanding trumps in one hand - it made on an end play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 You don't always want to draw trump. You do when you have game and you want to kill them to protect your good score. But when you just have 3/4 trump tricks, pard has enough tricks to bring your total to 7 or 8 and the deal is a bit of a misfit, then you simply want to take your tricks and take your trump tricks when you get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Fwiw I once played a 4S contract doubled and those were the outstanding trumps in one hand - it made on an end play. Yeah, I remember a hand of Kelsey's "test your opening leads" where opening leader has something like our friend QJ98x of trumps and the only way to set it was to lead a singleton to SHORTEN yourself away from the endplay. Anyway, obviously, even if the heart holding isn't ideal, pass is made more attractive because the alternatives aren't that good. But yeah, agree it's risky to pass (hence my 2♣ bid, eheh). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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