jillybean Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Dealer: North Vul: NS Scoring: IMP ♠ 4 ♥ 2 ♦ AKQ9742 ♣ KQ62 West North East South - Pass Pass 1♦ 1♥ Dbl 2♥ 3♣ 3♥ 5♣ Pass Pass 5♥ Dbl Pass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Um I win the opening lead and return a high diamond... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Pass. If you never pull a single five-level penalty double in your entire life, you will do better than a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Pass. Slam's likely to be off 2 cashing tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Agree with the general advice about passing but the main reason you are concerned here is that your bid of 3C to show your side value has not cast any light on your prima facie solid 7 card D suit! You can take it that I am not a fan of the 3C bid! Whether your best bet would have been a 3H cue bid (assuming it is not agreeing S) depends on your agreements, but I far prefer that to the Caspar Milquetoast 3C... regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Agree with the general advice about passing but the main reason you are concerned here is that your bid of 3C to show your side value has not cast any light on your prima facie solid 7 card D suit! You can take it that I am not a fan of the 3C bid! Whether your best bet would have been a 3H cue bid (assuming it is not agreeing S) depends on your agreements, but I far prefer that to the Caspar Milquetoast 3C... regards Actually Fred I prefer 4NT provided pd reads it as this sort of hand, (and not Bwood please). I pass too by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sa63h854djtcaj853&w=sqj75hakt763d5ct7&e=skt982hqj9d863c94&s=s4h2dakq9742ckq62]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - Pass Pass 1♦ 1♥ Dbl 2♥ 3♣ 3♥ 5♣ Pass Pass 5♥ Dbl Pass 6♣ Pass Pass Pass Just lucky or crazy I guess, hoping partner has a major Ace for his X of 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Are you playing Walsh doubles of 1♥? Is this a typical hand? I think 6 of a minor is a crap shoot, but its the kind of call I would make if I were behind. It's very speculative. I think its just as likely pard holds AKxx x xx JTxxxx. We are getting a lot out of 5♥, but 6m has two obvious problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 As usual, no agreements and I dont know what Walsh doubles are. I understood the double as negative, likely 4♠. Impact; with no special agreements 3♥ would show ♠ support, Im not going down that track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Just lucky or crazy I guess Neither. Your partner has a 2♣ bid. Just ask for aces after that if you can handle a response of "1" at 5♣ or below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 As usual, no agreements and I dont know what Walsh doubles are. I understood the double as negative, likely 4♠. Impact; with no special agreements 3♥ would show ♠ support, Im not going down that track. Walsh doubles of 1♥ specifically deny 4♠ (1♠ shows 4). Thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Just lucky or crazy I guess Neither. Your partner has a 2♣ bid. Just ask for aces after that if you can handle a response of "1" at 5♣ or below. Bravo !! Yes, responder has a decent 5 card ♣ suit and 10 HCP with 2 bullets and no flaws.( JT in opener's suit doesn't deserve a downgrade.) So rather than muddy the waters with a negX with only 3♠, I'll just bid my ♣ now. After that, it is for opener to RKC and if playing 3041 she's fine if the response it 1♦ also and she's fine if responder doesn't even know which minor suit is intended since she holds the kings and thus there's no ambiguity as to a key card response not being aces. After 2♣ this hand becomes similar to http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...15entry282869 where we've discussed another super-swan where, all that is needed is to know how many aces pd holds. On the actual bidding, I think the 3♣ response was rather weak unless playing GB2NT, but a 3♥ bid might cloud the issue and create guesswork over 4 or 5♥ but 3♣ was rather weak. Was it reasonable to assume PD had 2 aces for his free raise to 5♣ and then penalty double of 5♥ or was it a lucky guess ? The pay off for 6♣ vs 5♥x is big at this vul, but N should've bid the obvious 2♣ right away and there's be less guessing. Just my opinion .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Good points, I cant however cater for both my own and my partners bad bidding :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Good points, I cant however cater for both my own and my partners bad bidding :P Seriously, ask your PD why he/she didn't bid 2♣ and preferred a negX instead and you may be more in synch next session ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'm surprised no one has suggested opening 5♦. This is actually the type of 7-4 hand I'd consider doing it on. My partners beware! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'm surprised no one has suggested opening 5♦. This is actually the type of 7-4 hand I'd consider doing it on. My partners beware! So, opposite a major suit ace and the ♣J you are likely to claim 12 tricks, and you open 5♦? That one is hard to figure. EDIT: Sorry - miscounted aces. Still, it is not unreasonable for partner to have the cards you need for slam. This is a very heavy 5♦ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'm surprised no one has suggested opening 5♦. This is actually the type of 7-4 hand I'd consider doing it on. My partners beware! So, opposite a major suit ace and the ♣J you are likely to claim 12 tricks, and you open 5♦? That one is hard to figure. I hope my opponents fall for the claim coup there. I can score up my 620. Certainly opposite two aces and the ♣J I'll miss slam. Sometimes we preempt ourselves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I'm surprised no one has suggested opening 5♦. This is actually the type of 7-4 hand I'd consider doing it on. My partners beware! That would be a bit swingy, because pard might have 2 aces and you miss a slam. Anyway, definitely something to think about at matchpoints. In teams you can try a lower opening, because you can always bid 5♦ if opps bid to 4M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I don't like 3♣, not sure if this has been said yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I don't like 3♣, not sure if this has been said yet. Yes it has been said, what is the alternative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 I don't like 3♣, not sure if this has been said yet. Yes it has been said, what is the alternative? How about 5♦? Should show a hand with long and strong diamonds, too strong for a 5♦ opening but too weak for a 2♣ opening. Isn't that what you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 I would have bid 5D over 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catatonic Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 would have bid 6c over his jump to 5 pt is odds on to have A clubs and A spades , where are the values for his bid otherwise ? KQJ of spades ? unlucky , but they may well find the phantom even then but pt's x of 5H is unspeakable , forcing pass automatic sounds like a well matched pair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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